is it on carbs? i can't remember.

if it is running on carbs, of course a 1600 bottom end will be a good upgrade over a 1400, it will have lots more torque. you will need to adjust your carb settings to suit.

if it is on std injection, i think the c14se setup will cope

the c14se block will fit the came transmission as the 1600, its an f13.

 

It's a Standart c14se, injection off corse.
The question is will there be a noticeable upgrade?

1600 block needs a bigger trans. (f16 atleast, if I'm not mistaken). You can't keep the f13 sick trans.

 

There are 2 different 1600cc bottom ends in the UK - small block and big block.

The small block (as per the c14se) was available as a c16se and e16se and in the 16v versions - c14xe, c16xe, x16xe etc. These use a 190mm or 200mm clutch and will use an F10 / F13 / F15 box.

The big block was used as the basis for the 16SV, 16SH, 18SE, 20NE, 20SE (8 v versions), c18XE, c20XE etc (16v versions).. and uses a 216mm or 228mm clutch and needs either an F16 / F18 or F20 box.

Paul..

 

This is new to me. Thanks for the info.
So what about the block upgrade? Should i expect a noticeable change or not?

 

if you get a 1600 small block bottom end, it will definitely fit the f13 gearbox that fits the c14se. the power is not an issue, as it will only be about 15hp more than the standard 1400. you will definitely notice the increase in power

 

i'm not referring to a 1600 block from a c16se engine but just any 1600 block. the answer above is suggesting a 15hp power gain by replacing only the block.

 

Excellent. Cheers mate :grinning:

 

extreme bouncing :lmao:

the c14se engine puts out 82hp
the c16se engine puts out 100hp

so if i just replace the block for a 1600 i get almost the same extra hp as replacing the whole engine + ecu???

 

Couple of problems in your scenario..

I would think the C14SE and C16SE heads are different to account for the different bore sizes and Id expect the C16se to have bigger valves but I dont know if that is the case.

Similarly, the C14SE ECU and injection setup is for a 1400cc, so id expect the fuelling etc to be setup for that and the injectors to be smaller too.

Paul..

 

Be aware that the are also different types off 1600 smallblock available.... with different piston and or compression ratios.
So if you want the most gain you should go for c16se, e16se or c16sei block.
As far as I can remember heads are interchangable and ecu programms are identical.

 

it might be easier to fine a complete c16se engine rather then a c16se block alone. i have a friend that can find some kind of 1600 block for free but we have no idea the model of the engine he will fine until he actually looks for one.
head and ecu are different off corse but the question is: will the standard c14se engine and ecu perform well will a 1600 block replacement?
i have planty off experience doing such replacements on peougeot (106 in particular) but not on vauxhalls/opels.

 

Have you considered an 1800 small block?, more power and torque for the same amount of work, x18xe1 or z18xe.

 

1800 small block? didn't know such a thing existed...
any way, we probably not talking about a straight replacement are we? some mods will have to be made?

 

Engine codes:
x18xe1 (not the x18xe which is big block)
z18xe and derivates.

 

It fits on the STD mounts in my Corsa, a std Corsa sport rad does fine for me, fits onto an f15 gearbox, plenty of folk run them in standard form, although the exhaust may have to be modified.

 

so just to be clear: fitting an x18xe1/z18xe engine on a nova requires no mods just like changing to c16se?
and back to my original question: any knowledge based on personal experience?

 

1800 16v conversion is about the same as a x16xe conversion.

 

m_c_ofer you need to know that the 1800 small block would most likely need a standalone ecu to make it work in anything other than the car it came from.

 

10x. i will stick to the c16se conversion.