HQ Performance: Rolling Road Results

[Turbodave]

Afternoon gents...

Now safely back in Bath having racked up 1,675 miles in the last week and amazingly, not engine management lights in sight. Would just like to say thanks to all of you who made the effort and attended the event, appreciate alot of 'us' Scots have to drive hundreds of miles to attend such meets so that makes it even more special. Great turn out of cars, and as usual a good mix and some surprises on the day!

The icing on the cake was the wee run we had into the wilds, I was pleasantly surprised that so many of you got involved and although there are probably still a few lost souls driving around Kenmore, desperately trying to find the M74 or McDonalds in Perth, the day was a success I reckon. Plus, always good to see cars used... forget this arrive, polish, power run, polish, piss off crap!

Regarding the results, these are the runners and riders and the respective power figures but bearing in mind these are wheel figures as currently HQ haven't managed to convert them back into flywheel/pubtalk figures but have assured me they will ahead of the event going into the magazine.

So, from the top... and apologies for not adding user names, I have nae idea!

1. Stevie Hynd - VXR8
Supercharger
415.5bhp and 405lbft

2. Margaret Graham - Astra VXR Nurburgring
Standard (!)
226.0bhp and 233lbft

3. Ian Cadden - Mk3 Astra
Saab B204 conversion, front exit exhaust, phase 3 remap
217.4bhp and 242lbft

4. Neil Crouchy - Mk2 Astra
XE with T28 turbo
213.7bhp and 215lbft

5. John Sumner - Astra VXR
EDS IPF mapped, Forge intercooler, Remus exhaust
208.9bhp and 265lbft

6. Andy Gorski - Tigra
C20LET, XE inlet cam, 2.5" exhaust, chipped, Cossie actuator, Saab injectors
202.4bhp and 212lbft

7. Michael Lavelle - Mk3 Astra GSi
Saab B204 conversion, F28 box, Evo 6 intercooler, exhaust, phase 2 map
177.9bhp and 192lbft

8. Craig Dewar - Corsa B
C20LET, phase 1
163.4bhp and 194lbft

9. Brandon Murphy - Corsa VXR
Standard
157.4bhp and 151lbft

10. James Gill - Astra estate
Z20LET, front mount, full exhaust
155.2bhp and 217lbft

11. Rick Paton - Mk3 Astra
C25XE, 3.8bar FPR, 2.25" exhaust, cone filter, XE flywheel (TPS faulty)
120.2bhp and 118lbft

12. Marc Craigie - Corsa GSi
Standard
82.5bhp and 85lbft

Again, bearing in mind these are WHEEL FIGURES

Cheers

[Melv]

cheers for that Dave.

Big thanks from me to all who attended both the RR session and the drive.

[Kev_G]

Any pics of the astras with Saab lumps

[Melv]

A few here Kev.

RRday pics

Mine are **** though as I was too busy speaking and getting forms filled in to take much pics

The weekend - RR day, random drive (no pics) and random drive 2

[COO]

5th !
Happy with that middle of the gang position !

Cheers all

[rickisgrate]

yassssssssss not last!

[COO]

Well, here's my graph for anyone that wants to see/comment !!

[Melv]

yassssssssss not last!

How you getting on sourcing new parts?

[Kev_G]

It's on nige mapped one of them was being noisy

[Melv]

the black one had some Nige parts iirc. No wonder it is noisy though....... The exhaust exits in front of the front passenger wheel! lmao

[Kev_G]

Yep that's the one haha

[Turbodave]

For me, one of the most interesting points noted on the day was this...

2. Margaret Graham - Astra VXR Nurburgring
Standard (!)
226.0bhp and 233lbft

5. John Sumner - Astra VXR
EDS IPF mapped, Forge intercooler, Remus exhaust
208.9bhp and 265lbft

Quite interesting the difference in the figures, ie the 'standard' Nurburging pulled quite matched power and torque figures, whereas Coo's were really quite diverse.

Granted the Nurburgring had the higher bhp, but on the road the VXR would tear it from arsehole to earhole thanks to a better torque figure.

Just interesting how the two cars, at different levels of tune resulted in such diverse figures.

P.S... nice clour coded graph!

[Turbodave]

yassssssssss not last!

Marc's car recorded the lowest on the day, but it was also bang on manufacturers figures... not bad considering it's 15 years old and total original, even down to the exhaust system and intake assembly. That all said and done, we were all having a serious issues keeping up / loosing him over 150 miles of wet, Scottish roads.

Just goes to show, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

[Turbodave]

Well, here's my graph for anyone that wants to see/comment !!

Coo...

I know I've said it before but I can't help but feel a custom map would be the next step for your car. Your AFR graph is like the Scottish Highlands, in fact much like mine when I had a generic phase 1 map (ie, a pish one!). I still maintain a generic flash map / IPF map will never get the best results as they are designed to be a little safe, plus are written to suit a majority of cars, not a specific one. Bit like buying a suit from George, or having one tailored. yes, they both do the job but one will be a better fit.

Comparing your graphs to the Nurburgring, your AFR is all over the place whilst it's is a perfect curve but teh boost pressure is the opposite. It's is very spikey and peaks around 1.1bar then drops, picks up and drops (actuator, BCS or maybe has a cheeky wee generic map in there?) whilst yours is very smooth and hold boost much much better. One thing though, it only peaked at 1.1bar, your's is nearer 1.75bar yet your power figures were low. Then again, as your's hits 1.75bar around 3000rpm, teh fuelling gets a bit erratic. Similary, it gets very lean towards the top end.

By no means am I having a pop, just don't feel the generic IPF map is doing you any favours and I'm not signing the praises of any specific mapper but bear in mind, mine is running 270bhp at a maximum of 1bar, yours is doing similar figures at almost 0.75bar more. Not only are you not getting the power figures, but the turbo will be running at the top end of it's abilities and thus putting it under undue stress.

Custom remap, you know it makes sense!

[rickisgrate]

How you getting on sourcing new parts?

Ive still gotta spare tps to try out just not had any time this week because of work, im gonna try get it done tomorrow morning and see how it goes, its a bit of a pig to get at

[Jamie_Hastings1]

For me, one of the most interesting points noted on the day was this...

2. Margaret Graham - Astra VXR Nurburgring
Standard (!)
226.0bhp and 233lbft

5. John Sumner - Astra VXR
EDS IPF mapped, Forge intercooler, Remus exhaust
208.9bhp and 265lbft

Quite interesting the difference in the figures, ie the 'standard' Nurburging pulled quite matched power and torque figures, whereas Coo's were really quite diverse.

Granted the Nurburgring had the higher bhp, but on the road the VXR would tear it from arsehole to earhole thanks to a better torque figure.

Just interesting how the two cars, at different levels of tune resulted in such diverse figures.

P.S... nice clour coded graph!

'Burg was bought as a standard car. Guy didn't mention any tuning at all it doesn't have a filter or even a dv. Boy who owns it is a Honda man he just finished building a K20 Civic so didn't know it pulls better than a standard 'Burg. When will this be in TV? And also a did a hear someone mention the VXR8 isn't being featured? And ps a thought someone would have brought my cleaning stuff i won from TV but never recieved

[Turbodave]

'Burg was bought as a standard car. Guy didn't mention any tuning at all it doesn't have a filter or even a dv. Boy who owns it is a Honda man he just finished building a K20 Civic so didn't know it pulls better than a standard 'Burg. When will this be in TV? And also a did a hear someone mention the VXR8 isn't being featured? And ps a thought someone would have brought my cleaning stuff i won from TV but never recieved

The Nurburging may well be bought as standard, but it pulled some pretty impressive figures none the less. As said, the boost graph is a bit roller coaster but fuelling seemed spot on and it peaked around 14/15PSi... maybe somebody has wound the actuator up a couple of threads on a standard map, which would explain why it's boosting slightly higher than standard plus is very erratic as the standard ECU map would be trying to pull it back down a bit. This however, is purely speculation!

As for the VXR8, yes it's going in as Stevie was amngst the 12 who stepped forward on the thread and also turned up on the day. Thems the rules.

As for your cleaning stuff, that 'someone' would be me... but given I know nothing about it, I would suggest you pop an e.mail to the office with your name and address. Unfortunately, my talents stop short of mind reading!

Cheers

[mickygsi]

It's on nige mapped one of them was being noisy

nige done mine too,that was with stage 2 ,he also done me a stage 3 but never got round to fitting the ecu in time plus i didnt have the 3" downpipe fitted till a few days later mite do back up and see what it makes

[Jamie_Hastings1]

Don't really understand the attitude. Russ thought it was maybe stage one map maybe just an Eds Ipf generic map though. Not that quick on the road as you mentioned though as its not got that much torque. Aye a thought he should be in the mag as its an impressive car but a heard someone mention in the crowd that they didn't think he wanted featured thats why am asking. Will email the office cheers. What issue is it going to be in so a know to make sure a get a copy

[COO]

Cheers for the translation of the graph Dave...you know I'm more about the driving...

I'm nearly at the end of my tuning limit as regards to fitting parts, and have had the benefit from the IPF along the way.
For no drama, easy upgrade mapping it's a no brainer, fantastic piece of kit. Especially with the amount of maps available:
Z20LEH Current maps available using IPF:

PHASE-1 240PS SPORT 265PS 400NM
PHASE-1 240PS SPORT 280PS 400NM NÜRNBURGRING
PHASE-1 240PS SPORT 275PS 450NM ORGINAL VORKAT
PHASE-1 240PS SPORT 285PS 450NM NO VORKAT
PHASE-1 280PS 400NM NÜRNBURGRING
PHASE-1 240PS SPORT 285PS 450NM VKAT-70MM
PHASE-1 285PS 450NM NO VORKAT (ED1M15F8B)
PHASE-1 240PS SPORT 300PS 450NM NÜRNBURGRING NOCATS NOCATDIAGNOSE-NO_P0420_UPDATE 22.02.2010
PHASE-2 280PS SPORT 315PS 430NM FMIC-LLK_INTAKE-SYSTEM_INCAM_NO-PRECAT
PHASE-2 315PS 430NM FMIC-LLK_INTAKE-SYSTEM_INCAM_NO-PRECAT
PHASE-3 320PS 450NM EDS-Z20LEX-INTAKE-TOPHAT-60 V22B P1106FIX UPDATE 19.04.2010
PHASE-3 330PS 480NM FMIC-LLK_EDS-Z20LEX-INTAKE-TOPHAT-60_VM15H10A_MAP300KPA
PHASE-4 360PS 500NM FMIC-LLK_EDS-Z20LEX-INTAKE-TOPHAT-60_INJ550_GT28_VD2E1H1_MAP300KPA
PHASE-4 365PS 500NM FMIC-LLK_EDS-Z20LEX-INTAKE-TOPHAT-60_INJ550_GT28_CAMS_VD2E1H2_MAP300KPA
PHASE-4 445PS 500NM FMIC-LLK_EDS-Z20LEX-INTAKE-TOPHAT-60_INJ550_GT3071_CAMS_V4H2_P0100-FIX-ROMANIA

I hear what you're saying about a tailored map... and you have some good and valid points.
There may be an IPF unit and map for sale soon !

Jamie, I dont think Daves giving attitude to the burg owner...just offering explanations...

Noticed Mr Supercharged VXR8 in Practical Performance Car this month, he did an event at edinburgh airport - top speed challenge, unfortunately had clutch problems.....looks like they never blanked his plate out

Will be watching the progress of the Saabastras !

[CRA161E]

Marc's car recorded the lowest on the day, but it was also bang on manufacturers figures... not bad considering it's 15 years old and total original, even down to the exhaust system and intake assembly. That all said and done, we were all having a serious issues keeping up / loosing him over 150 miles of wet, Scottish roads.

Just goes to show, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

Cheers Dave, wasnt as brave as you on the single track road really wish you had told me I needed wings before the drive haha.

[COO]

Cheers Dave, wasnt as brave as you on the single track road really wish you had told me I needed wings before the drive haha.

Just be thankful you had that counterweight in the passenger seat to help you jump straight and flat !!!!