Track day corsa turbo build

[Rick Draper]

chip just a quick question how many different style manifolds would be required? I asked this as last time I mentioned group buy I was told to many different requirements, The 30 and 35's have the same flanges 4 bolt or tial correct? so its only the d/pipe thats different i.e flanges (turbo n wastgate) then screamer or replumbed the housing's are not that much different are they ie I could have it made to gt3076 then change to 3040 or 3582 without to much bother?

T3/Tial/T4/T4divided..

[chip]

Jay aint in any scene TBH he dont need the sort os scene ****. If you think he is then you really know less than Rob TBH.

Jay is 100 steps ahead of where you all think he is at the moment and its only the people that have been there and seen it that understand a tenth of where he is. Even they/we dont really know how much he rasps out every week for creamers. For instance Nortech does far more for most zorst places in the UK than people realize...

Last time Rob spoke to him that I know of he was doing work for the SEMA show, I was merely replying to a comment about him doing things for the jap scene now and giving the person who said it the benefit of the doubt that they knew what Jay was doing to comment in the first place.

[chip]

T3/Tial/T4/T4divided..

I dont think you need to go any bigger than T3 flanged for most people, thats enough for 600bhp quite comfortably.

[Rick Draper]

Manifold could be the same, but you arent spoilt for space if trying to put a big turbo in a nova bay so need it close to the engine, then for a calibra you might struggle on the power steering pipes etc.

Getting one design that works for all is going to be relatively hard, if not impossible.

You just have to get one that fits most applications and not even try for all applications i guess.

PeterG managed to cover the market well with just two designs for example.

Are PeterG manifolds proven on track cars

[chip]

Are PeterG manifolds proven on track cars

Yes, gatebil is covered in them, he didnt just do LET ones, in fact that was a very small part of his range

[Rick Draper]

I dont think you need to go any bigger than T3 flanged for most people, thats enough for 600bhp quite comfortably.

But I am just stating the various flange options open to us all.

[Rick Draper]

Yes, gatebil is covered in them

Andy G's new engine was a rally cross engine. Dont mean it was worth its weight in dosh does it...

[chip]

But I am just stating the various flange options open to us all.

Ive got a T6 flanged turbo, so you didnt cover the various options open to us all either then mate.
And dont forget that lots of people want to use Evo turbos too.

I think even trying to cater for ALL options is a waste of time, you just need to find 10 people happy with a T3 flange and make just that one, thats the only way it will actually happen rather than all still be discussing it in eleventy seven years time.

[chip]

Andy G's new engine was a rally cross engine. Dont mean it was worth its weight in dosh does it...

Andy G's new engine is working very well so far.
800bhp and taking far more of a beating than any of us are ever likely to inflict on an engine as I cant see anyone who has replied to this thread who is ever likely to have the same combination of handling and talent that he has got to keep an engine pinned so much in the first place.
Anything good enough for him, would be likely to be more than good enough for anyone who has replied to this thread.

[Rick Draper]

Ive got a T6 flanged turbo, so you didnt cover the various options open to us all either then mate.
And dont forget that lots of people want to use Evo turbos too.

I think even trying to cater for ALL options is a waste of time, you just need to find 10 people happy with a T3 flange and make just that one, thats the only way it will actually happen rather than all still be discussing it in eleventy seven years time.

I can name a number of bines sat at Jays waiting for Tial manis tbh but you aint in the business so i guess you dont know the demand for these things. As with you not shopping round for a turbo as you have one you have little idea what divided housings are delivering out of the UK........

[Rick Draper]

Andy G's new engine is working very well so far.
800bhp and taking far more of a beating than any of us are ever likely to inflict on an engine as I cant see anyone who has replied to this thread who is ever likely to have the same combination of handling and talent that he has got to keep an engine pinned so much in the first place.
Anything good enough for him, would be likely to be more than good enough for anyone who has replied to this thread.

Not on the standard manis though is it that ran 800 odd on the JG dyno...

[chip]

I can name a number of bines sat at Jays waiting for Tial manis tbh but you aint in the business so i guess you dont know the demand for these things. As with you not shopping round for a turbo as you have one you have little idea what divided housings are delivering out of the UK........

The turbo I was on about IS a divided housing, and im well aware what they do as several of my friends are running them.

You dont seem to have understood my post much, so I assume you are drunk or something again, but just to re-iterate, there are LOTS of flanges people might want, but if doing a group buy and trying to get together some people to join it and you have to settle on one, then T3 would be the best option currently IMHO, thats not saying people dont want other flanges too, but a group buy of 10 T3 manifolds is easier to put together than a group but of 200 manifolds using all sorts of different flanges in varous quantities to try and satisfy everyone, including lots of people who cant afford them anyway
Find 10 people on here to spend 1500 quid on a manifold wont be easy, so why make it even harder and just stop it happening at all?

[chip]

Not on the standard manis though is it that ran 800 odd on the JG dyno...

Who said it was on standard manis, no one, so I assume you are just making random unrelated comments.

In which case, have another one:

Its not on 135/70/14 tyres either

[Rick Draper]

I have red countless comments off PF of andy buying a engine that ran 800+ as it was when he bought it. Then people slating the manis that were on it and them cracking during events and been of **** quality.... Andy then came to dyno it as it were and it failed by a huge amount to run the figures. Still i guess JG dyno aint all that....

why would you get a big difference in dyno results for the same engine?? - PassionFord

STILL ITS A 42K ENGNE BUILD FTMFW
what about this barn find!!! - Page 10 - PassionFord

Not taking the piss but i have heard first hand people talking the talk about a number folk who dont walk the walk.......

[Rick Draper]

The turbo I was on about IS a divided housing, and im well aware what they do as several of my friends are running them.

You dont seem to have understood my post much, so I assume you are drunk or something again, but just to re-iterate, there are LOTS of flanges people might want, but if doing a group buy and trying to get together some people to join it and you have to settle on one, then T3 would be the best option currently IMHO, thats not saying people dont want other flanges too, but a group buy of 10 T3 manifolds is easier to put together than a group but of 200 manifolds using all sorts of different flanges in varous quantities to try and satisfy everyone, including lots of people who cant afford them anyway
Find 10 people on here to spend 1500 quid on a manifold wont be easy, so why make it even harder and just stop it happening at all?

TBH you aint interested so why involve yourself? You are happy with your garage16 mani so why bother?

[chip]

Andy's engine has had a complete rebuild by SCS since he got it Rick, and its been very relieble since, only problem he has had that I recall was a lifter shim moving that had to be moved back at TOTB.

Not sure why you are going on about his engine at all though, it doesnt seem even slightly relevant to what is being discussed.

[jonlem]

Claws out !

From what I remember the only issue with AG's manifold was the look of it, agreed the engine never gave the power on the SCS dyno that it did at JG's but I think there will of been more to it than the manifolds.

Also AG's current 800hp engine is a SCS engine, not the JG one as he decided against using it.

All what I read on PF so feel free to correct me if someone knows otherwise.

Going onto Jays work I know of someone who has tested a fair few of his exhaust manifolds and nobody gets close for that sort of money for those sort of gains he claims, infact many supposed better quality manifolds do not even work as well, Jays only problem are his excuses, being honest says a lot about someone and although he maybe doesn't mean to do it the false promises only give the bloke and more importantly the business a bad reputation, he should simply say its going to be 8 weeks, he has no excuse not to meet those targets, if he feels he can do it sooner then he should pick up the phone and let you know, its not hard, its just not a very professional way to run a business IMO

[jonlem]

Jesus, I missed the few previous pages of banter !

Can't comment on PD stuff but I rated Rips as a superb fabricator (well he is) but Gav and I noticed even his manifold was cracking on the R34 at totb, not everyone gets it right.

As well as the wrong material being used by Jay his actual **** up was allowing people to run them without a turbo support, I would quite simply invalidate the warranty if one isn't used as lets face it stock turbo cars come with braces (well most) so why his tubular and heavier manifolds wouldn't need one I'm totally unsure about.

[chip]

Rob has been asking for quite a while for Jay to supply a manifold with the capability to run a turbo damper, even something simple like a bailey YB one would be a lot better than nothing.

I need to make one for mine before its ever really used in anger, but sadly its a lot more difficult due to where my turbo is mounted!

[jonlem]

Most dampers are fitted to the turbo not the manifold, the only reason people don't use them is that A: their lazy and cant be arsed to make one, B: nothing off the shelf, either way Nortech cracked manifold syndrome (infact most stainless manifolds cracking) has been around for long enough now for people to understand why manufacturers use them or why 99% of yb's have them (being that YB's are usually used as a comparison)

Chris S's support certainly looks serious and no doubt gives the metal a much easier time than it would have if it was unbraced, that sort of design has been kicking around for years though on other cars so f**k knows why its taken anyone that long to copy the idea, fair play to Chris though for actually doing something about it rather than having to carry a invertor and a minature tig-set in his glove box for roadside raspin repairs

[turbo gav]

rather than having to carry a invertor and a minature tig-set in his glove box for roadside raspin repairs

Best thing I've read all week lmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmao

[leesturbo]

as above that was pretty good jon

[Anthony]

that manifold does not let me adjust the boost the lowest i can run is 1.9 bar at the limiter, im just lucky i was even able to use my car with that amount of boost some people dont even run close to that.

so there is a hell of alot wrong with it

In what way does the design/fault of the manifold cause this then?

[Anthony]

The early ones were utter rubbish TBH mate, I think even Jay will say that, he was still learning back then.

Personally if I had that I would just ebay it, I wouldnt want to risk using it and it potentially then being worth nothing, while its still new its worth decent money I guess.

... in what respect were they rubbish? design/material used. I have a brace i was going to use with it or am i really better of just getting a new one?

[chip]

In what way does the design/fault of the manifold cause this then?

The take off for the external wastegate is at the wrong angle and wont flow enough air, even with the wastegate removed rob's boost creeps up to 1.9 bar at the top end.
Its not down to the size of the gate or pipework, as on his previous manifold we had perfect boost control.