InsaneSwede's Astra MKI - Page 7

InsaneSwede · 30-08-2007, 16:16

I got to ask you on what basis do you base that on?

The turbo can produce up against 690-700hp on regular fuel.
that has been confirmed many times.

and i´m running E85 and will probably stretch the capacity up against 700-720hp.
But i´m not saying i will reach that amount of power.
I´m happy with 600hp on 'low boost'

my calculations is that i´ll be in the area of 600hp at 1,6-1,7bar.
And the turbo is good for about 2.2bars before it runs out of effiency on my setup.

That dyno paper earlier in thead is equipped with an GT3582r too and produces 656hp at 1,85bar.
and calculated to reach 700 on 2.2bars.

Garrett speces their turbos low...........

**Nobbie** · 30-08-2007, 16:36

Yeah thats my interpretations from the Garrett specs, and i'm sketchy on that too if truth be told.

philip2 · 30-08-2007, 17:36

one way to find out....rolling road printout, be better have an actual wheel hors power figure and not a flywheel number, as at end of day its about how many ponies are getting through the wheels

InsaneSwede · 01-09-2007, 11:57

This weekend there will be no work on the car.

I´m working on the chimney in the house.
Got to get the heating to work before winter.

Maybe maybe i can find time to do something small tomorrow.

Cheeeers lads..

Rs1 · 01-09-2007, 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nobbie

GT3520R .82 should see 400-600bhp.

What bar are you lookiing at running it at, as the specs look like it wont be any good unless it get 1.3 bar min.

You sure your looking at the right specs?
It'll do about 62lb/min

which is probably a tad conservative considering a few have been ran up recently and nothced 697 and 701 on 2.4/2.5 bar.

**Nobbie** · 02-09-2007, 16:38

Apparently the turbo i'm looking atm 3571r is most efficient at 1.4 bar, so i need to reread my graphs, i've missed something.

Rs1 · 02-09-2007, 17:04

A ha, problem solved.....your looking at the wrong turbo

**Nobbie** · 03-09-2007, 08:31

Yep thats about it, i've looked at so many i'd confused myself. I was looking at the 3571R, but was also looking at the 3582R, not only does it look like a better spec, it is oil and water cooled.

InsaneSwede · 03-09-2007, 17:04

here are some pics of some pipework i did today:

getting closer

Classic · 03-09-2007, 17:28

Nice work, where's the throttlebody going to be intalled?

Rick Draper · 03-09-2007, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Classic

Nice work, where's the throttlebody going to be intalled?

Its installed in those pic's.

Classic · 03-09-2007, 19:05

aiii, can see the pully for the butterfly now, on the middle picture.

was looking for a original opel item at first, hehe

astragsi · 03-09-2007, 22:32

what is that on the right hand side inner arch/chassic leg?? some sort of pump. oil, water, p/s??

no cam belt backing plate either

InsaneSwede · 05-09-2007, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by astragsi

what is that on the right hand side inner arch/chassic leg?? some sort of pump. oil, water, p/s??

no cam belt backing plate either

Hi..

It´s the fuelpump you can see.
and i have a soultion for the cambeltcover.
I will make an 'spiess' coverplate between the pulleys.

some pics:

fuel pump and trigger mounted:

Fuel pump from above:

Cambelt went on:

Rs1 · 05-09-2007, 19:46

Mr InsaneSwede, ive not seen a fuel pump like that on a petrol before....thats quite interesting that is

Why not a elec pump then?
Do you massive amounts of pressure when using E85?

And on another note....the vaux txb setup(if not locked) has the fluid pump, accumulator and all the stuff to go with, does the toyota has a similar system? If not then what does it have?

CheeRS

InsaneSwede · 05-09-2007, 20:00

Hi Rs1
I want the safety of an mechanical pump.
if engine stops, fuelpump stops.
and then it´s got massive capacity, i do not need to worry

The toyota gearbox have an mechanical centerdiff with an viscous coupling that 'brakes' it.
It´s got full 50/50 drive at all times.
But there are a small lever that changes between:
1 front wheel drive only
2 open centerdiff (4wd)
3 'braked' centerdiff(4wd)

the option number two is quite unuseful, as the moment can shift between front and rear.
But can be very useful if i upgrade the visco to brake even harder.

Rgds

Rs1 · 05-09-2007, 20:18

Ah, a centre diff aswell...hmm thats getting a little to complicated for me now

I wish i'd never seen this thread, i want 4wd

The Simps · 05-09-2007, 20:32

spanner on fresh paint!!

**Nobbie** · 05-09-2007, 20:50

Not sure i'm liking the idea of a mechinical pump. With the electric pump it will only be on when the ignition is turned on, to pressurise, and then it will pump when it see's throttle/cold start map.

mattcoupturbo · 05-09-2007, 21:08

But this way prevents the pump from not recieving full voltage due to damaged/corroded ends, no place for a voltage drop.

astragsi · 05-09-2007, 22:36

you will only get damaged or corroded ends because the wires are old and tatty, im sure if he rebuilding a car like this, or any one would replace such wires with new items.

so is the alternator driven of that pulley are well??

InsaneSwede · 06-09-2007, 04:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Simps

spanner on fresh paint!!

It´s not an trailerqueen,,, it´s ment to be abused hard....

InsaneSwede · 06-09-2007, 05:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nobbie

Not sure i'm liking the idea of a mechinical pump. With the electric pump it will only be on when the ignition is turned on, to pressurise, and then it will pump when it see's throttle/cold start map.

And one more advantage of my pump setup to bear in mind:

There are no good quality pumps on the market that can produce the flow i´m after in a single setup.

this one flows a liiiiitle bit more than i need.. but who cares?

about 2000hp and 200psi

**Nobbie** · 06-09-2007, 10:47

, so room for expansion then!!.

I would have thought a Bosch 044, 200LPH@5bar, would cut it though.

InsaneSwede · 06-09-2007, 13:10

No a single 044 won´t keep up with my 1680cc injectors.
If you look at the pressure regulator, it´s an Aeromotive, this one has quite small outer measurements.
But can flow all the '2000hp' back to the fueltank.

The pipes will have to be 1/2" in inner diam too.

This might be a secret to high powerlevels..

DO NOT TAKE ANY CHANCES ON FUELSYSTEMS!

And as i´m running 'alcohol' as fuel i need ~40% extra capacity against petrol, i got to go big

30-08-2007, 16:16	#151
InsaneSwede MIGWeb User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Drives: Astra MkI iTrader: (0) Posts: 666	I got to ask you on what basis do you base that on? The turbo can produce up against 690-700hp on regular fuel. that has been confirmed many times. and i´m running E85 and will probably stretch the capacity up against 700-720hp. But i´m not saying i will reach that amount of power. I´m happy with 600hp on 'low boost' my calculations is that i´ll be in the area of 600hp at 1,6-1,7bar. And the turbo is good for about 2.2bars before it runs out of effiency on my setup. That dyno paper earlier in thead is equipped with an GT3582r too and produces 656hp at 1,85bar. and calculated to reach 700 on 2.2bars. Garrett speces their turbos low........... __________________ Kadett GT/E Sometimes you are the bug sometimes you are the windsheild

30-08-2007, 16:36	#152
Nobbie Central Regional Coordinator / Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hemel Hempstead Drives: Mk3 Astra GSi XE iTrader: (3) Posts: 10,567	Yeah thats my interpretations from the Garrett specs, and i'm sketchy on that too if truth be told. __________________ Central Region Co-ordinator Central Region Forums/Events

03-09-2007, 22:32	#163
astragsi MIGWeb User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: whitby Drives: single turbo rx7 iTrader: (1) Posts: 3,368	what is that on the right hand side inner arch/chassic leg?? some sort of pump. oil, water, p/s?? no cam belt backing plate either __________________ i miss my vauxhalls breaking down

05-09-2007, 21:08	#170
mattcoupturbo MIGWeb User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Newport, Reading Drives: Focus LX iTrader: (5) Posts: 5,507	But this way prevents the pump from not recieving full voltage due to damaged/corroded ends, no place for a voltage drop. __________________ When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

30-08-2007, 17:36	#153
philip2 MIGWeb User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: chester/n.wales Drives: class 7 corsa;) iTrader: (8) Posts: 3,111	one way to find out....rolling road printout, be better have an actual wheel hors power figure and not a flywheel number, as at end of day its about how many ponies are getting through the wheels

01-09-2007, 11:57	#154
InsaneSwede MIGWeb User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Drives: Astra MkI iTrader: (0) Posts: 666	This weekend there will be no work on the car. I´m working on the chimney in the house. Got to get the heating to work before winter. Maybe maybe i can find time to do something small tomorrow. Cheeeers lads..

02-09-2007, 16:38	#156
Nobbie Central Regional Coordinator / Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hemel Hempstead Drives: Mk3 Astra GSi XE iTrader: (3) Posts: 10,567	Apparently the turbo i'm looking atm 3571r is most efficient at 1.4 bar, so i need to reread my graphs, i've missed something.

02-09-2007, 17:04	#157
Rs1 MIGWeb User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Newcastle Drives: LET...coming soon iTrader: (10) Posts: 7,806	A ha, problem solved.....your looking at the wrong turbo

03-09-2007, 08:31	#158
Nobbie Central Regional Coordinator / Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hemel Hempstead Drives: Mk3 Astra GSi XE iTrader: (3) Posts: 10,567	Yep thats about it, i've looked at so many i'd confused myself. I was looking at the 3571R, but was also looking at the 3582R, not only does it look like a better spec, it is oil and water cooled.

03-09-2007, 17:04	#159
InsaneSwede MIGWeb User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Drives: Astra MkI iTrader: (0) Posts: 666	here are some pics of some pipework i did today: getting closer

03-09-2007, 17:28	#160
Classic MIGWeb User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oslo, Norway iTrader: (0) Posts: 90	Nice work, where's the throttlebody going to be intalled?

03-09-2007, 19:05	#162
Classic MIGWeb User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oslo, Norway iTrader: (0) Posts: 90	aiii, can see the pully for the butterfly now, on the middle picture. was looking for a original opel item at first, hehe

05-09-2007, 19:46	#165
Rs1 MIGWeb User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Newcastle Drives: LET...coming soon iTrader: (10) Posts: 7,806	Mr InsaneSwede, ive not seen a fuel pump like that on a petrol before....thats quite interesting that is Why not a elec pump then? Do you massive amounts of pressure when using E85? And on another note....the vaux txb setup(if not locked) has the fluid pump, accumulator and all the stuff to go with, does the toyota has a similar system? If not then what does it have? CheeRS

05-09-2007, 20:00	#166
InsaneSwede MIGWeb User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Drives: Astra MkI iTrader: (0) Posts: 666	Hi Rs1 I want the safety of an mechanical pump. if engine stops, fuelpump stops. and then it´s got massive capacity, i do not need to worry The toyota gearbox have an mechanical centerdiff with an viscous coupling that 'brakes' it. It´s got full 50/50 drive at all times. But there are a small lever that changes between: 1 front wheel drive only 2 open centerdiff (4wd) 3 'braked' centerdiff(4wd) the option number two is quite unuseful, as the moment can shift between front and rear. But can be very useful if i upgrade the visco to brake even harder. Rgds

05-09-2007, 20:18	#167
Rs1 MIGWeb User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Newcastle Drives: LET...coming soon iTrader: (10) Posts: 7,806	Ah, a centre diff aswell...hmm thats getting a little to complicated for me now I wish i'd never seen this thread, i want 4wd

05-09-2007, 20:32	#168
The Simps MIGWeb User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Norwich Drives: Nova Coupe iTrader: (8) Posts: 8,560	spanner on fresh paint!!

05-09-2007, 20:50	#169
Nobbie Central Regional Coordinator / Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hemel Hempstead Drives: Mk3 Astra GSi XE iTrader: (3) Posts: 10,567	Not sure i'm liking the idea of a mechinical pump. With the electric pump it will only be on when the ignition is turned on, to pressurise, and then it will pump when it see's throttle/cold start map.

05-09-2007, 22:36	#171
astragsi MIGWeb User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: whitby Drives: single turbo rx7 iTrader: (1) Posts: 3,368	you will only get damaged or corroded ends because the wires are old and tatty, im sure if he rebuilding a car like this, or any one would replace such wires with new items. so is the alternator driven of that pulley are well??

06-09-2007, 10:47	#174
Nobbie Central Regional Coordinator / Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hemel Hempstead Drives: Mk3 Astra GSi XE iTrader: (3) Posts: 10,567	, so room for expansion then!!. I would have thought a Bosch 044, 200LPH@5bar, would cut it though.

06-09-2007, 13:10	#175
InsaneSwede MIGWeb User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Drives: Astra MkI iTrader: (0) Posts: 666	No a single 044 won´t keep up with my 1680cc injectors. If you look at the pressure regulator, it´s an Aeromotive, this one has quite small outer measurements. But can flow all the '2000hp' back to the fueltank. The pipes will have to be 1/2" in inner diam too. This might be a secret to high powerlevels.. DO NOT TAKE ANY CHANCES ON FUELSYSTEMS! And as i´m running 'alcohol' as fuel i need ~40% extra capacity against petrol, i got to go big