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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

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    So what your saying is, if i was to produce more carbon dioxide i could kill off more of them? Seems a little harsh but i like a challenge.
    LOL! Did I say that!! That would be total madness, remember what goes round always comes back, so in turn you could kill more of them, and then wait to be killed also! Global warming would effect eacha nd everyone of us.
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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

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    Isn't the cause of draught in Somalia or other effected places a direct result of highly industrialised nations churning out billions of tons of carbon dioxide!
    Yeah it must be that, nothing to do with them trying to live in a desert.
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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

    Desert! who said it was desert? they had a draught which means they could not cultivate any harvest, its no different to some of us having floods instead, which screws up all your harvest. Famine can strike anywhere due to climatic changes, as a result of Global Warming, now thats according to the scientists lot.
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    Bit more to it maybe

    For the last twenty years, Somalia has been entangled in a "civil war" amidst the destruction of both its rural and urban economies.

    The country is now facing widespread famine. According to reports, tens of thousands of people have died from malnutrition in the last few months. The lives of several million people are threatened.

    The mainstream media casually attributes the famine to a severe drought without examining the broader causes.

    An atmosphere of "lawlessness, gang warfare and anarchy" is also upheld as one of the major causes behind the famine.

    But who is behind the lawlessness and armed gangs?

    Somalia is categorized as a "failed state", a country without a government.

    But how did it become a "failed state"? There is ample evidence of foreign intervention as well as covert support of armed militia groups. Triggering "failed states" is an integral part of US foreign policy. It is part of a military-intelligence agenda.

    According to the UN, a situation of famine prevails in southern Bakool and Lower Shabelle, areas in part controlled by Al Shahab, a jihadist militia group affiliated to Al Qaeda.

    Both the UN and the Obama administration had accused Al Shahab of imposing "a ban on foreign aid agencies in its territories in 2009". What the reports do not mention, however, is that Harakat al-Shabaab al-Mujahideen (HSM) ("Movement of Striving Youth") is funded by Saudi Arabia and supported covertly by Western intelligence agencies.

    The backing of Islamic militia by Western intelligence agencies is part of a broader historical pattern of covert support to Al Qaeda affiliated and jihadist organizations in a number of countries, including, more recently, Libya and Syria.

    The broader question is: What outside forces triggered the destruction of the Somali State in the early 1990s?

    Somalia remained self-sufficient in food until the late 1970s despite recurrent droughts. As of the early 1980s, its national economy was destabilized and food agriculture was destroyed.

    The process of economic dislocation preceded the onset of the civil war in 1991. Economic and social chaos resulting from IMF "economic medicine" had set the stage for the launching of a US sponsored "civil war".

    An entire country with a rich history of commerce and economic development, was transformed into a territory.

    In a bitter irony, this open territory encompasses significant oil wealth. Four US oil giants had already positioned themselves prior to the onset of the Somali civil war in 1991:

    Far beneath the surface of the tragic drama of Somalia, four major U.S. oil companies are quietly sitting on a prospective fortune in exclusive concessions to explore and exploit tens of millions of acres of the Somali countryside.

    According to documents obtained by The Times, nearly two-thirds of Somalia was allocated to the American oil giants Conoco, Amoco, Chevron and Phillips in the final years before Somalia's pro-U.S. President Mohamed Siad Barre was overthrown and the nation plunged into chaos in January, 1991. ...

    Officially, the Administration and the State Department insist that the U.S. military mission in Somalia is strictly humanitarian. Oil industry spokesmen dismissed as "absurd" and "nonsense" allegations by aid experts, veteran East Africa analysts and several prominent Somalis that President Bush [Senior], a former Texas oilman, was moved to act in Somalia, at least in part, by the U.S. corporate oil stake.

    But corporate and scientific documents disclosed that the American companies are well positioned to pursue Somalia's most promising potential oil reserves the moment the nation is pacified. And the State Department and U.S. military officials acknowledge that one of those oil companies has done more than simply sit back and hope for peace.

    Conoco Inc., the only major multinational corporation to maintain a functioning office in Mogadishu throughout the past two years of nationwide anarchy, has been directly involved in the U.S. government's role in the U.N.-sponsored humanitarian military effort.( The Oil Factor in Somalia : Four American petroleum giants had agreements with the African nation before its civil war began. They could reap big rewards if peace is restored. - Los Angeles Times 1993)

    Somalia had been a colony of Italy and Britain. In 1969, a post-colonial government was formed under president Mohamed Siad Barre; major social programs in health and education were implemented, rural and urban infrastructure was developed in the course of the 1970s, significant social progress including a mass literacy program was achieved.

    The early 1980s marks a major turning point.

    The IMF-World Bank structural adjustment program (SAP) was imposed on sub-Saharan Africa. The recurrent famines of the 1980s and 1990s are in large part the consequence of IMF-World Bank "economic medicine".

    In Somalia, ten years of IMF economic medicine laid the foundations for the country's transition towards economic dislocation and social chaos.

    By the late 1980s, following recurrent "austerity measures" imposed by the Washington consensus, wages in the public sector had collapsed to three dollars a month.
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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by TINTIN View Post
    So what your saying is, if i was to produce more carbon dioxide i could kill off more of them? Seems a little harsh but i like a challenge.
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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

    The bloating of the childrens bellies is actually an indication of malnutrition - they are eating the wrong kind of food and its causing bloating :

    Why do starved people get bloated stomachs.? - Yahoo! Answers

    My cousin is a Missionary Priest over in Africa and works extensively to help these people. They have very very limited funds - he tends to bring stuff back for me to fix rather than buy say a new microphone or Psion 3 ...........

    I do agree though that a lot of the funds sent over to help have been either stolen or wasted
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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

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    My cousin is a Missionary Priest over in Africa and works extensively to help these people. They have very very limited funds - he tends to bring stuff back for me to fix rather than buy say a new microphone or Psion 3 ...........
    Whilst i dont give money to these people as i believe we should be looking after our own first,

    If i did give money it certainly wouldnt be for microphones or fooking computers etc, its for food / water or shovels to dig their graves
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    lol - the microphone is nearly 20 years old but keeps coming back for repair and the Psion 3 - well Google that to see how old that is.

    They live on very little over there but are happy with what they've got.
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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

    There's quite a lot of "green" land in the South of the country, why don't they go there? Don't stay in the area which is basically a desert. No one lives on the moon for the same reason lmao.

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    they have kids so they can eat simples!
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    I will be honest I always send money to various natural disasters throughout the world, such as the tasunami in Indonisia, that devastated lives and property over such a wide scale and well over 250,000 people were wiped out in just one stroke of a tasunami, hurricane in New Orleans in America, earthquakes in Mexico, Pakistan, and the list goes on, giving away £100 each time does not break my back, but I only donate it through disasters emergency funds appeals, and know that the money will get there and make a small difference to the very unfortunate people.

    This time when the Disasters emergency funds appeal was made to collect money for Somalia, I did not respond because I heard that Islamic rebels controlling much of southeren Somalia were not allowing any aid through, or they might intercept the aid for their own cause, so this time I did not send any aid so that it does not feed any brainwashed idiots. Still I feel sorry for the genuine poor people who are trapped between these holy thugs and the disaster and this also reminds me of how I have been sending aid to Southern Sudan for the Black people who were the victim of Arab racialists, who tortured and raped and killed these poor blacks who were forced to flee Southeren Sudan and violence against Christians in Southern Sudan, which i now beleive has been divided into two seperate countries now called Northern Sudan and Southern Sudan.
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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by MSG View Post
    they had a draught which means they could not cultivate any harvest,
    Those draughts are a killer, I had one under my duvet last night and I had to 're-tuck' myself in again.
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    Ok smart arse! lmaothe difference is just one letter "an O" as opposed to me having used "an a" in spelling Drought!
    But you must be serious about the killer darught under your duvet last night, it was by far the most serious drafts we had in the UK for years! it is still quite windy and the weather warnings for Britain going to see tornados! so get yourself and your bed strapped to your house foundations!
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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by MSG View Post
    Isn't the cause of draught in Somalia or other effected places a direct result of highly industrialised nations churning out billions of tons of carbon dioxide!

    And how about Americas suffering more share of hurricanes now then ever before. The planet earth is in danger of extinction most probably due to advances made in civilisation and industrialisation, the root cause of the problem.

    Todays weather in UK wasn't particularly good either! loads of wind and rain.

    industry is like a fly farting in the grand scheme of things, for example a single volcano produces more harmful gasses etc in one eruption than cars/industry could do in years. why dont we cap the volcano's if we are that worried? ( joking )
    another strange but true fact is that H2O is one of the worst greenhouse gases and these new 'green' cars will produce tons of the stuff! great!

    in relation to the OP, these countries need to be helped/taught to help themselves, we need to stop giving them hand outs so their population will sort its self out etc and they will learn to live within their own means, like we have have to...

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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew H View Post
    industry is like a fly farting in the grand scheme of things, for example a single volcano produces more harmful gasses etc in one eruption than cars/industry could do in years. why dont we cap the volcano's if we are that worried? ( joking )
    another strange but true fact is that H2O is one of the worst greenhouse gases and these new 'green' cars will produce tons of the stuff! great!

    in relation to the OP, these countries need to be helped/taught to help themselves, we need to stop giving them hand outs so their population will sort its self out etc and they will learn to live within their own means, like we have have to...

    Totally agree with you on the issues of taking responsibility of their own future, in their own land, if they continue to produce offsprings like rabbits, who is to blame except themselves, and indeed we should not provide them with any aid apart from educating then to the fact the earth has limited resources and cannot sustain unlimited population growth, so about time they ****in started to use family planning methods.

    As for the H2O, it is pretty harmless and in fact quite benificial, it can overcome droughts, H2O = water!
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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by MSG View Post
    As for the H2O, it is pretty harmless and in fact quite benificial, it can overcome droughts, H2O = water!
    nah, too much water vapour is very detrimental, think about how hot it feels when your in a humid environment, there is more to it than that, the H2O water vapour acts like a any other green house gas, trapping in heat.

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    to add to that
    'According to Shaidurov, only small changes in the atmospheric levels of water, in the form of vapour and ice crystals can contribute to significant changes to the temperature of the earth's surface, which far outweighs the effects of carbon dioxide and other gases released by human activities. Just a rise of 1% of water vapour could raise the global average temperature of Earth's surface more then 4 degrees Celsius.'
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    Re: Famine in Africa... yet again

    Quote Originally Posted by jo4nny8 View Post
    Whilst i dont give money to these people as i believe we should be looking after our own first,

    If i did give money it certainly wouldnt be for microphones or fooking computers etc, its for food / water or shovels to dig their graves
    There's probably higher levels of disease, illiteracy and famine in Ilkeston than most parts of Eithiopia!
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    Edited,
    Changed my mind sorry!!! (I would be in serious trouble otherwise if I spoke the truth!!)
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    Think newer cars emit more Co2 or something through the catalyst. I'm deffo wrong about the chemical element, it's like they've just swapped over one dangerous chemical for another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemesis View Post
    There's probably higher levels of disease, illiteracy and famine in Ilkeston than most parts of Eithiopia!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violet View Post
    Think newer cars emit more Co2 or something through the catalyst. I'm deffo wrong about the chemical element, it's like they've just swapped over one dangerous chemical for another.
    Most people are unaware that the best way to 'sink' carbon (that means lock it away so its not harmful) is to lay more roads! ironic or what! and CAT's on produce more photochemical smog etc on short journey's they still work over distance driving, about half a hour for them to work properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG View Post
    Edited,
    Changed my mind sorry!!! (I would be in serious trouble otherwise if I spoke the truth!!)
    Quote Originally Posted by MSG View Post
    Famines and Disasters, earth quakes, floods, hurricanes, tornados, seems like
    the nature's way to curb population control, maintain balance of the eccological
    system on the earth, perhaphs we should never intervene by providing aid, and to
    support contries where they do not curb population control, we should begin by
    taking away child benefit system from our own contry first, and impose higher
    taxes on those who have more than two children, i know this seems cruel, but in
    the long term lesser the people lesser the impact on the earths eccological
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    What's wrong with that? I totally agree with you (for once).

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