Britains Population

[Vectra Dave]

On the other hand....

If immigrants dont come here to work, and people dont have kids.... who will be paying taxes in 40 years time to fund your pension? who will be working in the nursing home emptying your colostomy bag?

[Brett]

There wont be a state pension when I retire in 40 years time!!!

[dj_woodster]

as above you bloody hopeful Mr Brown has seen to that the fat b******

[Ed]

Originally Posted by Vectra Dave

On the other hand....

If immigrants dont come here to work, and people dont have kids.... who will be paying taxes in 40 years time to fund your pension? who will be working in the nursing home emptying your colostomy bag?

Unfortunately, that is a very valid point.

This country does actually need a lot of the immigrant work force. This is of course partly due to the fact that our own home grown scum, out of principle will not do a lot of jobs. I'm reffering to the Polish immigrants really here-I have nothing against them, as generally they add a lot of value to the country. Unlike some other nationalities I could mention.

[Andy_L]

Originally Posted by chip

How the **** is losing one of the few real assets this country had a good thing?

My auntie has just had her life saved by the NHS performing countless operations on her to remove cancer, all operations she could NOT have funded any other way, she'd be dead now if it wasnt for the NHS, literally.

I hope your Auntie is rid of the cancer and enjoys the rest of her life

Me experience is wank with the NHS, GP's etc (terribly sorry it's around a 7 month waiting list, OR seeing a specialist and being told you will have physio between now and the next time I see you. Did we? did we **** )

The NHS is great for emergencies, absolute ****e for anything else.


As soon as I can afford it I will pay the 20-30 quid a month for private healthcare

[dj_woodster]

took me nearly 3 yrs, and 3 operations and countless meetings and appointments, and not to mention all the different departments i was swapped between to get to the stage i'm at now with my knee and the NHS not a fan, and as it stands without a complete knee joint replacement this is the best i get ..... thanks!

[Rysee_sri_130]

so at 19 should i consider poking holes in johnys? would it get me a flat with my missus?

i need to do some research

[keithcdb]

Originally Posted by Andy_L

The country WILL fall apart (don't laugh it isn't yet)

NHS will have to be abolished which is one good thing I suppose

Why? It is only thing we have left!

Originally Posted by Vectra Dave

On the other hand....

If immigrants dont come here to work, and people dont have kids.... who will be paying taxes in 40 years time to fund your pension? who will be working in the nursing home emptying your colostomy bag?

We survived for years without imagrants....

Originally Posted by dj_woodster

took me nearly 3 yrs, and 3 operations and countless meetings and appointments, and not to mention all the different departments i was swapped between to get to the stage i'm at now with my knee and the NHS not a fan, and as it stands without a complete knee joint replacement this is the best i get ..... thanks!

But did you pay a penny???

[Andy_L]

Originally Posted by keithcdb

Why? It is only thing we have left!

Ah but is it any good?


We survived for years without imagrants....

And now we will never be rid of them unless we close the borders

But did you pay a penny???

Techincally yes through taxes that I would rather spend on monthly private care

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[Brett]

LOL at the notion the NHS is free err taxes as Andy rightly points out.

If I could opt out of the NHS and pay my private health care, I bloody well would. Its a bumbling enifficent waste of money. I had an operation last year to remove a cist from my neck. Thanks to the NHS I now have a massive scar, and, fantastic news, theres still a bit of cist left in my neck

I already get my state pension payments refunded into my private pension, the government dont need that thank you very much.

[AndyKay]

The point about needing immigrants for pension payments etc. is illogical - all you do is create an infinite and exponential problem. Not only because the immigrants age and become OAPs but because invariably many bring in their extended families including OAP parents etc.

The answer is people will just have to work to older ages than they did historically - which is fine as people are generally healthier and live longer and a large proportion of the economy is now service based and doesn't require physical strength anyway.

The jobs that British workers are not prepared to do? Well the country never ground to a halt because all these 'vital' jobs weren't being done (and if they were vital they would be reasonably paid). In reality the real 'bargain basement' jobs are filled by immigrants working illegally, in illegal conditions. They are merely being exploited themselves and enriching criminals.

And as for skilled and semi-skilled jobs, 'waves' of immigrants temporarily distort the market and suppress wages. It has happened in the building trades in recent memory. And then there is the question of ethics, depriving other countries of the resources they have paid for and nurtured.

[Vectra Dave]

lol, everyone seems to think "immigrants" are a recent thing in uk?

All your chinese take-aways, curry houses, corner shops etc etc that have been running for decades....where did the owners come from? Immigrants have been comming to UK for decades. Dont believe all you read in the Daily Mail about ten thousand immigrants arriving every 15 minutes. yes, immigration levels are higher than the have been in the past, but the amounts of people LEAVING is higher than it has been too. Opening the EU to allow workers to travel freely has done more good to UK than any negative effect the illegals have done.
Take all the "foreign" workers out of the NHS and see how long it last then. It would collapse in a matter of days.

[dj_woodster]

Originally Posted by keithcdb

But did you pay a penny???

if i could have afforded it i ****ing would have there bastard butchers!!!!! but nearly 20 grand for cartilage replacement isn't the cheapest of things! especially when your made redundant cos of your injury!

[observer]

Originally Posted by DaveB

Remove the immigrants/muslims from that equation and I bet we're nowhere near the top

Dont brand every muslim into the heap of useless immigrants! Yes there are many who have illigally come here and are milking the system, but I would say thats more a case of their origin and cultural background, pakistanis, somalians are know for this. Lets be clear try to differentiate between religion and race.

Christians are made up of poles, english, russians, spanish etc etc. It would be wrong for arguement sake Dubai to say lets get rid of christians, it would be appropriate to say lets get rid of the russians!

We have a big problem in that its not controlled, something needs to be done, the worry thing is the open door policy of the new eastern european countries! Romanian and Bulgaria being the worst of them! If albania ever joins the EU god help us!

[DaveB]

Originally Posted by observer

Dont brand every muslim into the heap of useless immigrants!

You mis-understood my post and I apologise for not being clearer. I was no way trying to infer that immigrants/muslims were useless.

Everyone has the right to have children, but when you have a large number of muslims (or any other race that is not allowed to use contraception) then obviously the population in those countries will increase very quickly compared to those that have a lower level of ethnic minorities.

[Brett]

Originally Posted by DaveB

You mis-understood my post and I apologise for not being clearer. I was no way trying to infer that immigrants/muslims were useless.

Everyone has the right to have children, but when you have a large number of muslims (or any other race that is not allowed to use contraception) then obviously the population in those countries will increase very quickly compared to those that have a lower level of ethnic minorities.

Im no fan of muslims, but its a religon not a race

Catholics are banned from using contraception too.

[mike261263]

I`ve experienced the bad and the good of the NHS, Didn`t help my sister as she died of cancer at 42..., i was rebuilt by the NHS, can`t fault them really, they did a good job with the bits they had....i just want to know where my missing bit of collar bone is. At the end of the day there is only so much money to around for paying the doctors/nurses/surgeons/admin/porters etc...........but there could be a bit more if so much wasn`t wasted on ****ed up heroin/coke/crack addicts...they took it of thier own free choice....let them get on with on it, same for people who try the "call for help" suicide thing **** it, you inflicted the injuries...your problem, same for these self-harming morons, leave them in thier own little world!!

[lethal]

The population predictions are probably well of the mark anyway.

Those who came in as economic migrants from the widened EU will be as quick to leave the sinking ship.

[Andy_L]

Originally Posted by lethal

The population predictions are probably well of the mark anyway.

Those who came in as economic migrants from the widened EU will be as quick to leave the sinking ship.

I don't know why I'm laughing because you're probably right!!

[Allvaux]

Originally Posted by DeXx250

Went to a local agricultural show recently and as I was walking past a stand some bloke said "want a newspaper?". I just grabbed it without thinking. 2 minutes later I looked at it and it was from the BNP . Although blatantly racist, the rather basic party focus and aims leaflet that was with it made a lot of sense on some points. I'll scan and post it up later on imageshack. Some points were bollocks and could or should never be inforced.

Actually that's bollocks too. It's just flannel to get you to vote for or sign up for the British Nazi Party and sort of softens their image. You do know they want everyone from any different nationality out don't you and that they also (allegedly) include the Irish in that too?
Very dangerous 'political party' praying on the current immigration situation and people's fears to make them look electable and all cuddly and nice.

Here's one for you though whilst we're on the subject: who is going to do the work the Poles (and other races) did over here for **** money and long hours to get it when they're gone? You know the ones I mean: the type who refused council housing in really rough areas but then complained that 'they can't get a council house and the immigrants should piss off back' and let's not forget the ones who spent ****ing years on the dole and then moaned they couldn't get a job because of immigrants. They'll run out of excuses before long the workshy sponging bastards.

Mixed feelings about the NHS: they do the best possible job they can (in my experience) and I believe we should always have an NHS but equally it's run by ****ing idiots and there are too many managers and stupid positions which are only there to make any given hospital look good in the performance charts. Another result of too much govornment interference.

[AndyKay]

Originally Posted by Vectra Dave

lol, everyone seems to think "immigrants" are a recent thing in uk?

The uprecedented volume of the influx is - and the consequences. Now it is causing overcrowding and obviously destroying social cohesion. The EU's and govs. own figures show that the influx is vastly exceeding the leavers - that was the point at the start of the whole thread! And the leavers are often skilled British people sick of the state of the country and the poor quality of life caused by mass immigration.

The NHS would cope, the proportion of critical workers who are recent immigrants is actually very small. It certainly wouldn't collapse overnight. And you have to look at the joined up picture - smaller polpulation = less NHS workers required.

The trouble is that after 10 years of abject surrender of any attempt to enforce our borders and shouting racist at anyone that spoke out, the damage can't be undone. We can only attempt to stop it getting worse by exposing the lies and false logic of the people who want the situation to continue unchecked.

[Andy_L]

To the NHS lovers let me ask you this,

Consider how much the NHS costs to run each year, bear in mind WE the taxpayers fund it. Also bear in mind WE the taxpayer pay for treatments performed on patients who don't pay any tax and have just come to this country for a free ride.

Take away the NHS and you have to pay for treatment yourself yes BUT taxes WOULD (well under my government anyway) go down thus freeing up money to pay the monthly fee, maybe not all of it but some of it. Also these pesky free-riders would then have to pay for treatment themselves so wouldn't want to be coming over here all the time for free operations.

Plus you'll actually get seen quickly if you need any sort of procedure done, no matter how big or small.

[Brett]

Originally Posted by Andy_L

To the NHS lovers let me ask you this,

Consider how much the NHS costs to run each year, bear in mind WE the taxpayers fund it. Also bear in mind WE the taxpayer pay for treatments performed on patients who don't pay any tax and have just come to this country for a free ride.

Take away the NHS and you have to pay for treatment yourself yes BUT taxes WOULD (well under my government anyway) go down thus freeing up money to pay the monthly fee, maybe not all of it but some of it. Also these pesky free-riders would then have to pay for treatment themselves so wouldn't want to be coming over here all the time for free operations.

Plus you'll actually get seen quickly if you need any sort of procedure done, no matter how big or small.

I agree partially, the problem is in this country for everyone person who turned round and sorted out their health insurance, there will be one who doesnt and the govt will sort out some sort of handout for them thanks to welfare state. So we will end up paying anyway really.

As it is, I like the idea of keeping the NHS and going private myself. The theory being I get good health care and the riff raff out of my way It'd be ideal if based on that I could get a proportion of my wages back but administrating that would be way to difficult.

[Vectra Dave]

Originally Posted by AndyKay

..... And the leavers are often skilled British people sick of the state of the country and the poor quality of life caused by mass immigration.

Like me?
I left uk because its a chav-ridden hell-hole where people will believe what a tabloid shouts at them rather than look for facts themselves, nothing to do with immigration.
I used to live in aberdeen, which is rapidly developing polish ghettos where they have their own shops etc. Th is hardly any different to the influx of asians years ago is it?
Yes more people are coming in now, but how many are staying long erm? as Lethal said - NOBODY knows this, and he is spot on the money when he says these people will be the first to leave when the economy starts to side.

As for the NHS, If you cut taxes, how many people would spend what they save on private heath care and how many would piss it away down the pub or on a plasma telly?
The nhs system cant be changed now, its too late. It has to be defined right from the start as free or as payable., Changing it will cause too much confusion and leave too many people without any treatment. Look at the elderly or poor who currently have to choose between heating or eating in winter time. If they get a tax break due to the abolition of the nhs, they wont be on the phone to bupa, they will be using the money to survive day to day, yet these are the people who need nhs help the most

[Rik]

Originally Posted by Galahad

One thing that I do find 'humourous' is that this government bend over backwards to ladle on all manner of benefits for people with kids, which sounds nice, but by giving out all these benefits, only serves to exacerbate the population problems. In 40 or so years, we'll be like China, giving benefits to those that DON'T have kids, and restricting couples to only one child.

Try getting a clue mate.

We qualify for hardly anything from the Government after having a child. Thats because we work for a living.

We can't have any more because we can't afford to buy a bigger house or pay for them to be looked after whilst we go back to work.

I put money into the ever increasing black hole , but am not entitled to claim any of it back.

Its seems we are penalised for doing well in this country, so don't think that people with kids get a free ride, we are worse off than you!

Oh, and i get private health care as part of my benefits package, but any emergencies have to be dealt with by the HNS. Go find a private health package that does