House prices, economy, outlook 2008

[lethal]

Originally Posted by Jack

Would it not just be easier to tax everyone 100% of their income, instead of bringing in all these sneaky taxes?

Yay for communism!

Gordon is wearing a red tie today.....

[Brett]

what is about the british? we dont give a **** about anything anymore, and we have a government who think they can dictate to us.

If theres one thing that will motivate me to get back on with my studies its this mess, so I can get qualified and earn enough money so none of the imminent **** effects me, or I can piss of and live in a descent country.

[lethal]

You might want to add a foreign language or two to your studies (I recommend German, French and Swedish)

As for being dictated to, we might as well be in a communist dictatorship for all the argument people put up. (Don't get me wrong, I'm no communist - don't like reds ).

So, speaking up, there's me, there's you? Who else?

[j17sparky]

^ Exactly. I only had a convo with my mum about the fortnightly wheelie bin pickups. If we as a country and in the community stood up and stuck together we could beat it. Aswell as this the extra charges for non-recyclable rubbish could easily be foiled; imagine if all you neighbours throw all their rubbish in the street (in bin bags obviously) and claimed it wasnt theirs, who's going to be able to prove who's is who's rubbish? The costs involved in collecting the evidence and making a prosicution would soon put a stop to it (in a country run by people with their heads screwed on right... guess it wouldnt work after all then )


All that silly scheme is going to achieve is, as said fly tipping, and people going out late at night and dumping their rubbish in their neighbours bins

five pilot areas where local authorities could charge for non-recyclable waste. The pilots will cost £7.5 million.

How about you just spend the funking money on taking the rubbish away and funk off right back to where you came from you bunch of deluded idiots!

[Jack]

Originally Posted by j17sparky

How about you just spend the funking money on taking the rubbish away and funk off right back to where you came from you bunch of deluded idiots!

Or just stop wasting time and do something useful?

[Brett]

Originally Posted by lethal

You might want to add a foreign language or two to your studies (I recommend German, French and Swedish)

As for being dictated to, we might as well be in a communist dictatorship for all the argument people put up. (Don't get me wrong, I'm no communist - don't like reds ).

So, speaking up, there's me, there's you? Who else?

I expect most like me, wont have a clue where to start to make an impact though! And collective action worked well last time, petrol strikes were pretty much ignored, the road pricing petition which got 10m signatories and they responded saying, 'thanks for that, we'll do it anyway though....'

Seriously, I cannot understand how anyone with an ounce of sense could ever vote for these idiots

Perhaps we should introduce some sort of basic standard of education and understanding of the way things work before you can vote. I mean, its fair giving everyone the vote but most cant be trusted with it and vote based on things that happened almost 20 years ago, or because their Dad voted for that party.... its ****, total ****.

[lethal]

Originally Posted by Brett

Perhaps we should introduce some sort of basic standard of education and understanding of the way things work before you can vote. I mean, its fair giving everyone the vote but most cant be trusted with it and vote based on things that happened almost 20 years ago, or because their Dad voted for that party.... its ****, total ****.

Well, you'll have noticed that it changed at the local elections where Nu Labia got a sound kicking.

Your job is to make sure as many people as possible are properly informed by the time of the general election.

[lewist123]

does anyone seriously believe though that if the conservatives win the general election for instance, that they will change things in a MEANINGFUL way and make a difference? like **** they will!

this is my problem with this whole situation. there is no point just voting another idot into the PM slot or voting a different politcal party in. it may make a difference on the surface but deep down it will all just be the same!

[Brett]

TBH Im so pissed off I'll be outside the local polling station next time with a very large bat, which I shall use to discourage people from voting for them.

[lethal]

Originally Posted by lewist123

does anyone seriously believe though that if the conservatives win the general election for instance, that they will change things in a MEANINGFUL way and make a difference? like **** they will!

I believe that if Gordon & Nu Labour remain in power they will utterly destroy* this country with their incompetence.

Nobody in living memory has seen this level of economic stupidity in the UK.

*As in you will have severe trouble feeding yourself and your family 'destroyed'

[Chameleon]

I really dont see the tories being any better/different. Their hands will still be tied by stupid human rights, economics and "Oohhhhh you cant be doing that, its agains the rules!" legislation from Brussels (sprouts). The only reason labour got in years ago was by making themselves so closely aligned with the Tories that a lot of the voters figured, What the hell, they aint that different.
Who genuinely believes they will really be any better?

Oh, and dont even get me started on the whole Scottish independance lot!

[Jack]

Lethal, silly things like food and transport aren't important. What we really need is more CCTV cameras.

[lethal]

Originally Posted by Jack

Lethal, silly things like food and transport aren't important. What we really need is more CCTV cameras.

You're right, silly me. Vote Gordun.

[lethal]

Originally Posted by Chameleon

I really dont see the tories being any better/different. Their hands will still be tied by stupid human rights, economics and "Oohhhhh you cant be doing that, its agains the rules!" legislation from Brussels (sprouts). The only reason labour got in years ago was by making themselves so closely aligned with the Tories that a lot of the voters figured, What the hell, they aint that different.
Who genuinely believes they will really be any better?

Well, they're unlikely to be worse. If you're only choosing between two, you've got Labour who are corrupt and incompetent or the Conservatives who are corrupt but generally competent.

You've also got the choice to vote for other parties who may better represent your views.

If you can't make a conscionable decision to vote for any party available to you, you must attend the polling station and spoil your ballot.

By attending and spoiling ballots in numbers, it tells the incumbent government that the public do not have faith in them and they cannot claim any such faith when making decisions.

Originally Posted by Chameleon

Oh, and dont even get me started on the whole Scottish independance lot!

I'm starting to think the Scottish have the right idea. Bailing out of the UK and Sterling right now is synonymous with getting the hell off the Titanic.

[Jack]

Originally Posted by lethal

you must attend the polling station and spoil your ballot.

What's all that about?

I haven't voted yet, I don't know what the process is.

[lethal]

Originally Posted by Jack

What's all that about?

I haven't voted yet, I don't know what the process is.

Well, you've got three options in an election.

Option 1) You vote for one of the available parties by putting an X in the box next to the candidates name. This means you are giving your support to this party and trust them in government. Your vote is counted for your chose party.

Option 2) You attend and spoil the ballot paper. Write outside of the boxes something like 'spoil'. This means you are in protest at the available candidates, none of the parties represent you. Your vote is counted as a 'spoiled ballot' and reported as such in the official count. High numbers of spoiled ballots indicate to the candidates/government that the electorate no longer has faith in them.

Option 3) Don't vote. You do not attend the ballot. You've opted out of democracy and lose the right to complain when things don't go the way you want.

[Jack]

Awesome, cheers lethal.

[Andy_L]

See I'd be for the bin tax IF there was a reduction in Council Tax (like they do in Ireland).

Any how I shall be voting for communism in the next elections. Maybe if we go back that far we can have another crack at this capitalism thing but do it properly.

[Brett]

all these people saying it wont change anything - it'll send a message to future governments you cant just do what you like for 4 years and worry about the public and their percetion of you in an election year.

We are being dictated to on so many things we dont want and we all know wont work, ID cards are another thing, road pricing.

Things will change with a change of government IMHO.

[j17sparky]

Originally Posted by Brett

all these people saying it wont change anything - it'll send a message to future governments you cant just do what you like for 4 years and worry about the public and their percetion of you in an election year.

Thats what i originally thought but the down side to that is if a party know they will be out at te next elections then they will do their best to destroy the country so that their sucessors look bad. Well thats a theory, and tbh i see no reason why the scum we call our govt. would look at it any differantly.

[james sport]

Originally Posted by lethal

Many have probably become desensitised to it but this country appears to be covered in an inch-thick layer of s**t.

I can walk anywhere in town and if I turn through 360degrees I don't think there's even one second of arc that I cannot see a piece of litter on the ground.

Contrast that with pretty much any developed nation in the world.

I’m glad you’ve noticed it - I was beginning to think I was the only one!!!
On a night out a couple of years ago, I gave a lift home a friend and his mate. (I didn’t know his mate) Anyway we got fish & chips and about half way home, he just threw the papers out straight out the car window without even thinking about it!! Then looked at me in total disbelief when I had a real go at him – he genuinely couldn’t see the problem.

[rudd86]

personal opinion, I would like to see labour out next election and the conservatives in,
yeah yeah they made a mess of everything 10+ years ago but surely they deserve another chance?. If for no other reason just to get this left wing EU supporting pc brigade out of power

[jav786]

Originally Posted by montytronix

no knee cap him and give him a proper disability !!

LOL that's the next job

[montytronix]

not suprisingly british gas [profits up 500% price increase 46%] are soaring and their defence is that we need to make a profit......
since most or all of power utilities are foriegn owned [not scottish]
i find it hard to believe prices are increasing because they can and are getting away with it?

Gordon's getting lots of VAt from it so does he care?

[montytronix]

Originally Posted by rudd86

personal opinion, I would like to see labour out next election and the conservatives in,
yeah yeah they made a mess of everything 10+ years ago but surely they deserve another chance?. If for no other reason just to get this left wing EU supporting pc brigade out of power

excuse me?
made a mess of what?

Labour inhertited a bloody strong economy and copied / carried on tory policies to accompy the huge hikes in stealth taxation / pension plundering
-facts right next time!!!!!