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#1 ·
hi

i was just wondering what the general perception if nitrous oxide was on this site now...
dont get me wrong im not looking for an arguement here i just want to know if the generaql opinion has changed since i and a few others have started to use this mod on the vauxhall engines with increadable results...

so what do you guys say??

NOS is BS power?
NOS will kill my engine?
it doesnt last long enougth?
its not as good as conventional tuneing?
its too expensive?
i dont know enoughth about it therefore i could damage something by fitting it?
i cant insure my car?

or maybe your opinion is.., yes i would fit it in the future

as ive stated i just want to know for my own uses
all opinions will be appreatiated

many thanks, brian
 
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#78 ·
hi

or more to the point dont leave the bottle warmer on all night!!!

still even if we used bottle warmers with our kits the only thing that would happen is the blow off disk would release the n20 without causeing a explosion when the pressure rose above a certain amount

regards, brian
 
#79 ·
chip said:
My own belief is that phase kits are a complete cop-out for people who dont actaully understand their engine well enough to do the job themself, hence instead of a phase kit, ive bought WOLF EMS for my LET, and ive fitted a MLS head gasket, its got 2.1 low compression forged pistons and vernier pulleys etc.

Ie unlike most turbo users im doing the job properly, but thats nothing to do with anything other than my own mentality, i will be building my nitrous engine in my other nova in much the same way.
Likewise i was equally thorough building my mini engine which is just on a single carb, some people like to do the whole job, other people like plug and play toys, nitrous suits BOTH those applications.


Chip
so fitting a MLS gasket, 2.1 low comp pistons and a wold engine management system is called tuning your engine properly? hmm I think u need to have a word with RDS..now thats what u call tunign a LET!!

BTW if you want a 2.1 litre let you will need atleast 87.5 or 88mm (cant be bothered doing th e calcs) pistons which will get you 2056cc...

yes most ppl shove on a phse kit and their engine blows! half the ppl dont have a clue about engine and all its parameters...
 
#81 ·
observer, there are a lot of other mods to my LET as well hence the "etc" on the end which means "and all the rest"

My pistsons (IIRC) are 87.5mm, which gives 2069cc, hence i refer to it as a 2.1

Chip
 
#82 · (Edited)
C20LETMINI said:
Chip if the idea is doing it properly all yourself, rather than copping out and buying a "phase kit" why did n't you build the engine, not just go and buy the car with it all done lol

Err, Rich, i dont know what planet you are actaully from, but it wasnt all done when i got the car!

It did have a let in it, fair enough, and the pistsons had already been fitted, but ive had it all apart and rebuilt it since then, and am now doing the Loom and ECU.

Thats like saying if you buy a calibra turbo (like RDS or TFS) and rebuild it and fit custom management etc that you havent done any work because someone else fitted the engine you are playing with (ie the factory), grow up mate!

I never said i had originally fitted a let to the nova, it was already a let when i bought it, in fact it was because of the engien i bought the car, i was orginally planning on fitting it to a mini but have since decided against it and gone back to having it in the nova, so ive just done a top end rebuild on it ( didnt have to do the rings/bearings which are fine) and am now doing the management etc.


Chip
 
#83 ·
oh sorry I was just under the impression streetworkz did the headgasket for you after you blew it running to lean on XE not let managament.

I didn't know you had had the head apart, changed the cams, had the bottom end apart and rebuilt it etc.
 
#84 · (Edited)
No problem Rich, you werent to know (i generally dont bother to tell you much detail about what im up to now as i find being stalked a bit creepy anyway), but all Streetworkz did was in terms of any work on the car was spend a couple of hours to kindly yank it apart in the first place as i was in somerset at the time and i needed to know what parts to order before coming back up to rebuild it, and then they lent me a workshop cause i didnt have one at the time, but i did ALL the work myself rebuilding it.


Chip
 
#85 ·
PS

yet again you are more keen to discuss me than the subject of the thread, you really need to get yourself a girlfriend or something so you have someone else to focus your attention on a bit.
 
#86 ·
you need to stop implying that you are the expert in every single car field chip, this is why I post these questions for you. Its clear you have some knowledge in the field of tuning, but you question people like RDS on Tuning LETs. how are you supposed to know you have never even done it! and then if you can't get that approach acorss you just tell everyone to nitrous their cars as you seem to think this is an awnser to everything. Its the same in the other post I made abaout the brakes.

"Its a bodge to many bolts etc"

you have never even done one and you seem to think you are an expert on it.

I personally have actually built a turbo 6 speed nova, redone the top end of the engine the wiring, etc.

No offense buts that more than you have ever done to a nova/LET but I am no expert and would not question people who have far more authority and knowledge in a field than I do.
 
#88 ·
Rich thats a nonsense, you have done nothing of the sort, denman was up the other day fitting the intercooler etc for will not you, you try and make it sound like its all your own work when its not, and you have hardly touched the engine at all form what Will was saying about it, as its more or less totally standard, but anyway wether you have or havent built a LET nova is hardly a massive achievement as its not exactly taxing and one thing that it certianly isnt is of any relevance to a thread on nitrous.

As far as tuning the LET goes, im mid way through mine at the moment so i havent fitted the ECU yet no you are correct, but then i never claimed i had finished it, as it happens ive done far more work in terms of tuning vauxhall engines than you are ever going to know about as i dont tell you all my business and have been at it since you were at primary school anyway.

Im sorry if i offended you with my comments on the brakes, but to me bolting in spacers to push the calipers further out is simply not as good a job as fitting the correct calipers in the first place, i never said it wouldnt work, just that its not to my personal preference and id sooner do it properly, was telling you not to do it, just you were advising me to go that way and i said i would rather not do so personally.


Chip
 
#89 · (Edited)
JohnA said:
oi, ladies...this is a NOS thread...:p lmao

Indeed, I cant see why Rich has to keep turning every thread into a discussion about me, im very flattered by your attention Rich but i already have a girlfriend.

Just give it a rest, its getting very boring as its in every thread you do it these days, and not once do you actaully have the first clue what you are on about anyway!
(a perfect example being that claims of yours that streetworkz rebuilt my LET engine when they never even touched it during the rebuild, not so much as one bolt, it was entirely my own work)

Chip
 
#90 ·
chip said:
PMSL!


Read that back mate, its SO funny, how exactly is a phase kit different from a basic nitrous instalation because your description of one works perfectly for the other and vice versa.


Chip
so your saying phase kits and nitrous are the same? by your thinking that makes nitros a cop out:confused: what i'm getting at is not everyone has the ability to map an ecu so the phase kits serve a purpose, but a phase kit cant run out of gas can it? you dont get half way through a race when all of a sudden the phase chip runs out of ram or whatever does it? now how was i saying they are the same?


tbh chip it gets on my tits that every time there's a thread about nitrous you jump on it telling everyone how good it is and that everyone should get it, even when they say they dont want/like it, ok nos is your thing, good, i'm happy for you, its not mine and never will be so please just let me not like nitrous, ta!:beer:
 
#91 ·
T.F.S. said:
hi

or more to the point dont leave the bottle warmer on all night!!!

still even if we used bottle warmers with our kits the only thing that would happen is the blow off disk would release the n20 without causeing a explosion when the pressure rose above a certain amount

regards, brian
That's pretty cool.

What happens if you fuel pressure drops?

Is there a cut off to protect this?
 
#92 ·
region17rc said:

tbh chip it gets on my tits that every time there's a thread about nitrous you jump on it telling everyone how good it is


hi region

chip is (as far as i am concerned) the only other person on this site who actually knows something about the subject so when he sees some bull posted about it he feels compelled to respond..
on our noswizard site chip is regarded as one of the mentors

if people took more time absorbing his posts i doubt he would be repeating his self so often
the fact that he continusly has a internet stalker following his every move and posting contradictory infomation does not make his plight any easyerlmao :p

Kind regards, brian
 
#94 ·
T.F.S. said:
hi region

chip is (as far as i am concerned) the only other person on this site who actually knows something about the subject so when he sees some bull posted about it he feels compelled to respond..
on our noswizard site chip is regarded as one of the mentors

if people took more time absorbing his posts i doubt he would be repeating his self so often
the fact that he continusly has a internet stalker following his every move and posting contradictory infomation does not make his plight any easyerlmao :p

Kind regards, brian
ok, i see your point, the petty little arguments between him and c20letmini are tiresome to say the least, kinda ruin the thread tbh. i know chip knows about nitrous, and well done for that, but it still doesnt change the fact that i'm not into nitrous, its too easy and it runs out, you wanted opinions, and now you have mine:beer:
 
#95 ·
"its too easy and it runs out"

Thats fine mate, perfectly valid answer, and totally agree with it.
I would hate to only use nitrous to tune an engine and nothing else, would feel like id only done 10% of the work (although admitedly with 90% of the results! LOL)


Can only apologise for the bickering between me and C20LETMINI, hopefully he will grow up sometime soon and stop dragging personal stuff about me into every post, in this post (as always) you'll see its him starting it again and again, each time i point out what a load of rubbish he is talking on one bit of chat about me he starts another bull**** and/or irrelevant line of attack again and again, its anything at all to get attention it seems.

Hopefully he will soon either run out of "stories" or will realise that people really dont come on mig to argue and fall out witheach other about personal issues, we come here to argue and fall out with each other about technical issues, LOL lmao


Chip
 
#97 · (Edited)
region17rc said:
so your saying phase kits and nitrous are the same? by your thinking that makes nitros a cop out:confused:
Thats exactly right, 100%

I think that both basic nitrous kits and phase kits are a cop-out of proper tuning if thats all you do to your engine, absolutely.

I also think they are both devastatingly effective, and perfect for 90% of users who dont really care how "TEFAL" their engine is and only care how quick their car is for as little cash/effort as possible.

Personally i do care how "TEFAL" my engine is, so ill use nitrous in a far more in depth manner than just "bolting on a kit" but thats only my personal preference.
Im the same with a cam, i dont just fit it, i time it in correctly with a vernier pulley etc, and ill nearly always use ARP bolts even when they arent really warrented.

You're the same i suspect?


Chip
 
#98 ·
RDS said:
I would be very wary of using 87.5mm pistons on a LET the bore walls are starting to get very thin at that point;)
Thin?

Depends on what you are used to i guess, compared to my 1380 mini though they are like brick walls, LOL

If it goes pop its only a case of chucking a new block on bored out the same and fitting some new rings, no massive problem, so if it happens once every few thousand miles it doesnt bother me as the car in question is about my 5th most used car anyway, so only comes out occasionally.


Chip
 
#100 ·
chip said:
PS

If i get too many problems ill go back down to 86.5mm anyway, as TBH the extra 50cc isnt really worth a lot, all it does is drag the torque down the RPM range slightly.


Chip
Very true and would be a wise move if you did have a problem. 1380cc minis don't have turbos though thats the difference. The XE can take 88mm pistons at there limit IIRC.
 
#101 ·
yup, i'm the same, i like building stuff, and i can see your point but i still dont like the gas running out! i dont hold the phase kits in very high regard but thats the way of the tuning scene, hey do sort of work for the money though, as nitrous does, still dont like either but there is no arguing the peak figures, each to their own i spose


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