Total Closure?

[jimbohotpants]

Does anyone have any experience with Calibra total closure? I've heard that Callys should have it as standard when the key is held in the lock position. Is this correct? Why doesn't mine then?
I've looked at the locking mechanism on the driver's side, and there isn't a microswitch there. The passenger side does have one though. Has this anything to do with it?
I have an aftermrket alarm (Scorpion) which has the facility for total closure, so I want to get it working!
PLEASE HELP!!!!

[Cathcart cav]

My total closure works fine. Is your windows still set? Like when you put them up then hold the buttons up for bout 4 -5 secs? Dunno if this has anything to do with it tho. Might do.

[jimbohotpants]

I've tried that already mate, the switches click after a couple o seconds and that's it.... no change!
Do you think the microswitch should be there on the driver's side so that it knows when the key is being turned/held?

[LEE69]

You need the micro switch on the drivers door,has it fell off?

[jimbohotpants]

It just isn't there at all! I'm not sure if the guys that fitted the alarm took it off or what!?! I didn't own the car when the alarm was fitted so I'm not really sure what went on! Does the passenger side need the microswitch? Could I feasably swap it to the driver's?
Also, there are two plugs left flying in the bottom of the driver's door that look like they might plug together, any idea what they're for?

[LEE69]

Do the windows roll up if the key is held at 45 deg in the passenger door?

[jimbohotpants]

They don't on mine! Not sure if they do normally?

[LEE69]

i think they are supposed to from both sides.

[jimbohotpants]

Well then..... I must have problems!
Anyone got any ideas what they might be? And solutions would be handy too!

[Chameleon]

There should be a switch. My cav has two, I think one is to fire the C/L the other is for the total closure. Mine has stopped working, If I can be arsed, Ill get the door panel off, I'll check the wee switch.

[jimbohotpants]

My central locking works a treat still, so maybe the missing item's for the total closure? Perhaps I should pop over the road to the Vaux shop and see if they know anything. Doubt they do though..... bunch o cowboys over there:P

[Hendry]

kinda related, i had the same problem with my mk3 astra 5 door, until I was told that my total closure wasnt supposed to work cos only my front windows are electric, something about total closure only working on cars with 4 electric windows.

[jimbohotpants]

Kinda related indeed, but my car's a calibra with only 2 windows which are both electric. It does have a sunroof though, which would struggle to be total closure due to the operating mechanism.

[jimbohotpants]

I did pop over to the Vaux people..... they knew VERY little! They DID tell me that ALL calibras should have total closure, but I'm not sure I trust that info.

[Chameleon]

The sunroof isn't included in the total closure. It only works with the ignition on because of the load of the motor.

[nosnova]

as far as i know the closure only works from the d/s and it is to do with the microswitches on the barrel in the drivers door. you can also put the windows up by earthing a wire that goes to the standard alarm on calibras and cavs think its brown black off the top of my noggin(pls dont quote me). this is how i do tot close when i fit alarms.

[Add_Gee]

OK, all calibras as standard have the facility to close the windows from either the drivers side or the passenger side. The drivers side should have 2 microswitches up by the lock barrel (they sit side by side and look connected), and the passenger side should have 1 microswitch.

If these are missing then replacing them would be the first port of call, maybe easier to get a new door loom.

[jimbohotpants]

Its like this..... My cally is supposed to have total closure of its windows when the key is turned 45degrees and held there for 2 seconds or so.
This doesn't happen on mine.
I have tried resetting the windows' programming.
The driver's side doesn't have a microswitch. The passenger side does. Neither side will give any closure with this method.
I have tried grounding the Brwon/Black wire in the driver's footwell to the chassis.... no joy.

I will try getting hold of a microswitch for the driver's side, but I can't really figure out why this would be causing me issues with the passenger side, or with grounding the Black/brown wire. All I can see is that the microswitch does the grounding for me under usual circumstances, so why doesn't it work?
Is there a window control unit or something?

[Chameleon]

Yes there is a control unit for the windows. You say there isn't a switch on the drivers side? Does the central locking still work with the key in the drivers door? If not you have deffo lost the switch(es) have a look for em.

[jimbohotpants]

It's weird, the central locking works perfectly, but there is definately no microswitch on the driver's side! It may be something to do with the aftermarket alarm, but I've got hold of the installation manual for the alarm and it doesn't look like there's anything particularly special like that.
I'll see if I can get hold of a microswitch and fit it and see what happens, but where is the control unit supposed to be? And what does it look like?

[Mark T]

There's No Control Unit for the Windows, Each motor has it's own electronics.

Try grounding the brown/black wire at the window motor itself.

Also make sure the Constant 12V supply is present.

Will the windows close on the button with the ignition off?

[jimbohotpants]

Yeah, the windows close fine when the ignition is off until you've opened and then closed the driver's door. Like I say, all the functions seem to be working eactly as they should, except for the total closure!

[jimbohotpants]

I will try the Brown/black wire a little later on if I get time, otherwise I'll give it a whirl another day.
Sounds like it might be worth a go though, cheers!

[mrsounds]

Yeah, the windows close fine when the ignition is off until you've opened and then closed the driver's door. Like I say, all the functions seem to be working eactly as they should, except for the total closure!

on mine windows will work still if drivers door has been opened and shut with ignition off but if passanger door opens b4 drivers nothing works well annoying when ur trying to close window and some1 get out lol

just been out to see if my closure works cos didnt even know i had it till reading thread and it didnt but turned ignition on and rolled drivers window fully down then fully up and it works now!

lee

[jimbohotpants]

Well, I'm glad something's going right for someone! I really want to get this sorted so I can move on to closing the sunroof at the same time! I've found a couple of timer relays that'll do the trick nicely, but I've got to find out where I'm gonna put them, and how to wire them up properly.
My plan is for this:
The first relay will switch on for a set time when it receives a signal. The second will switch on either when the first is activated, or when the internal switch is pressed (for close). This will remain active for a set period, slightly shorter than the first. If the second relay is activated by the first, then it will also be activated by the shut-off of the first, and will then stay on for a set period again. This means that when inside the car, you can press the close button once for the roof to move one stage of it's close, and agin for the second stage. Or if the remote is pressed, then the sunroof will close all the way! Perfick!
I haven't thought about opening yet, but one simple timer relay should do it for two-touch opening should be fine!
Let me know your thoughts..... and PLEASE try and help my window problems!!!!!!!!