i was just wondering what the general perception if nitrous oxide was on this site now...
dont get me wrong im not looking for an arguement here i just want to know if the generaql opinion has changed since i and a few others have started to use this mod on the vauxhall engines with increadable results...
so what do you guys say??
NOS is BS power?
NOS will kill my engine?
it doesnt last long enougth?
its not as good as conventional tuneing?
its too expensive?
i dont know enoughth about it therefore i could damage something by fitting it?
i cant insure my car?
or maybe your opinion is.., yes i would fit it in the future
as ive stated i just want to know for my own uses
all opinions will be appreatiated
NOS is ok, i like teh concept of it, if i had some normal car with less tuning potential than the c20let id use it!!
on the let there are som many options now, ecu's, turbos, bottom end ie rods, pitstons, u name it...id go the non nos route to get reliable power! upto 500 bhp is poss from a let... after that u need to think about cyl blocks craking etc
I used to be very sceptical about it based on horror stories i heard about american kits killing peoples engine.
But a couple of years ago people i know started using the uk manufactured kits with incredable results.
I kept my head in the sand and spent money on every other type of tuning imaginable still instead, ie cams, headwork, fuelling changes, tailored ignition, lightening/balancing, pretty much everything you can do really.
The finally i gave in and though id give it a try and havent looked back since, sadly it is quite expensive to use a lot in terms of the gas, but the results are awesome, no one who has been in the car so far doesnt want a kit of their own at some point, and most of them before they drove it were of the opinion it was a bad idea.
When you 60-100 time drops from 11 seconds to 8 seconds or whatever, it doesnt seem like "fake" power to the subura you just wiped the floor with, LOL lmao
I get the impression that people round here are just not preapred to give it a try though and would prefer to judge based on their own miconceptions having never used it.
NOS will kill my engine? Not if the engine parts are upgraded suitably and fuelling/ignition is dealt with
it doesnt last long enough? How long do you want to embarrass someone
its not as good as conventional tuneing? I prefer conventional tuning but would give NOS a go
its too expensive? Bang for pennys spent nope
i dont know enough about it therefore i could damage something by fitting it? That would be my worry
i cant insure my car? Dunno ive never had it fitted
or maybe your opinion is....If the conventional route doesnt do the business will give it ago
lmao
observer, how does:
lower intake temps
no lag
big increase in power
sound to you?
Thats what you will get from your nitrous on your LET, plus FAR more power for your money than any other mod (well once you already have phase 3 or similar)
Ive got a nova with a LET, 2.1 16v, hybrid turbo, XE cam, ive now got a progrmmable ecu and cossie intercooler to fit as well, that will see me well past 300bhp, but im definately going to add nitrous as well, cause i HATE the amount of lag i get from it, when i nail the throttle i want it to go that instant not a second later when the boost has built up.
I am planning to use it on my motor in the end (after its been set up in the pre NOS stage) - cheap power and if used with controller and sensible amounts is safe power also
in answer to johns comments - yep definately interested in NOS. but would probably want to strengthen my bottom end before trying it (due to mileage / piece of mind etc)
Any gen on using it purely for anti lag? say only up to 3-3.5k. would this be too much for the lower gears? hard to setup the control of? any real benefit over a progressive controller?
That's my perception, yes. BS in the sense that it only lasts this long and then you're back to stock. If it were something cheap and available everywhere (like distilled water) I wouldn't think twice about it. Hell, if you could refill at petrol stations it would be nice. But you can't - so if you want to go to Scotland (or France or whatever) you can't rely on the thing.
I don't think I would fit one, because I like driveable, street cars - and having to refill the damn bottle every other day doesn't help 'streetability' in my definition of the word
However, if I were to build a car with a view to good quarter-mile times, there's no question that I'd go for a 150+ progressive system. It just complements turbos so well, that it's a crime NOT to use it on the strip.
...Just my 2p, as my signature speaks for itself lmao
in answer to johns comments - yep definately interested in NOS. but would probably want to strengthen my bottom end before trying it (due to mileage / piece of mind etc)
Any gen on using it purely for anti lag? say only up to 3-3.5k. would this be too much for the lower gears? hard to setup the control of? any real benefit over a progressive controller?
Works great as antilag, just fit a 25bhp kit and use a pressure switch to turn it off as soon as you hit about half a bar of boost (at which point the lag is pretty much gone anyway)
It reduces lag for two reasons, firstly it adds power instantly anyway, so you get an instant throttle response, secondly it increase the amount of exhaust gasses, so a turbo that would normally spin up at 3K rpm will now do so at 2500rpm or whatever.
As its only ever on for a second or two at a time it will last bloody ages too, if you then want it as a power boost too sometimes, simply put a switch to stop the pressure switch from cutting it.
With regards to the comments about running out, thats not an issue at all if you get a refill bottle at home, TFS can refill his bottle 7 times (he uses a big 11lb bottle) off one refill bottle, so its months in between needing to get another fill, try storing two months worth of fuel at home in one go though!
Just been reading that old thread, interesting to see how people were saying you could only run 25bhp or the ignition would need retarding, both of which now everyone on here pretty much knows to be a nonsense.
Shows how much of a "black art" it used to be considered (and still is by some people i guess)
yep, its the old "i used a big shot single hit kit and blew the lump" reply
of course it really does not apply to the new types of progressive systems that are now avaliable on the market
john
you think we need to retard after my 18month test?
do you think my engine failure was brought forward by lack of retard or more due to the fact that the engine had covered 100.000miles and had a serious lack of compression on more than 1 cylinder?
On a LET you dont need to retard it because the cooling effect cancels out the increased combustion chamber pressures in terms of risking detonation, and anyway you can run it a bit rich with the jetting to use the fuel as a detonation supressant.
On an XE though, if you have lots of nitrous going in it would be worthwhile knocking it back, i was thinking of putting a switch on the knock sensor as that retards it about 7 or 8 degrees or something if its not connected i believe.
you engine died because of a number of factors, if you had used some retard then it would have lasted longer, but not by much, i dont believe it was detonating anyway, except possibley at very lows revs as you were using it a little lower down that i would be keen to myself.
i know what you mean, as more and more people are cataching on they are finally going to be making a lot of money after 20 years or more or less running at a loss in real terms (in that trev would have earnt far more just working as an engineer for someone else)
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