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    Got it done through RBX Motorsport (Richard Bell) he posts on here often.
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    I see the kkk as a very old design, many jap cars use garrett, skylines included, and the HKS range are garretts too!!

    I think i will probably go down this garrett route, myself, Rob how much didi this turbo and custon manifold cost you?

    Russ, my car is modified a bit, i have an EDS intercooler, superchip, and courtenay cams, but it just doesnt want to pull after 5.5k, but as i understand it, the turbo dynamics makes boost a bit lower down than the turbo technics unit and looses it at high end.

    I hear turbonetics in the US make some really nice garretts, would i just buy say a t3 or 3.5 generic spec one? or one that is designed for a 2.0 4 cyl engine??

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    I dont really want to say how much it cost on here cause I will only get slated.

    So I will pm you.
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    Roller bearing

    Is the T3 your interested in the roller bearing one thats mounted on kkk manifold, sounds impressive to me, if not a bit pricey.

    Is Arno of EDS not running one of these turbos on his Kadett?

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    Originally posted by MWF
    Richie - I agree that the LET has many other fundemental flaws but apparently I hear that turbo chargers can make a lot of difference to a turbo charged engine.
    Only if matched with low compression etc.


    The Ford Cosworth (Sierra/Escort) have many fundamental flaws as well e.g. very laggy, fuelling problems as soon as you up the boost etc etc.


    Turbos make a lot of difference to a turbo charged car (no need for the cutting comment you used) but the point I was making when you said this -

    Surely the fact the LET is so so far behind the YB is proof enough or are you just going to let the Ford boys kick your asses forever?
    Was that you cant compare how blocks perform with the turbo it uses, thats just daft.


    Would that mean that if you stick a T3.5 on a C20LET then it can suddenly make the same power as the bullet proof YB RELIABLY ??



    THAT was the point I was making
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    Meant to add - Its all well and good saying "x turbo is better than y turbo"

    Who gives a monkeys ??


    Is it not more important to find the better turbo suited to what you want/need ??

    If thats a standard KKK-K16 then great, if its a Garett T66 then go for it.

    Thats why they make different turbos aint it ??
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    Well said.

    I chose my new turbo cause it suited my preferences.
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    Turbonetics make some of the best Garrets.

    Richie my comment about the LET being so far behind the YB is not to do with the engines being better or anything, it's about the owners accepting that certain parts are better off in the bin.

    And yes you are right it is about matching a turbo to an application and the T3 is the king of street turbos.

    And no I am not saying sticking a T35 on a LET will net you more power but it is a better turbo in every respect, especially if you go for a good turbonetics one. Better deisgned, better engineered, better parts, it's simply a better product, that is all I am saying.
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    Well what a post this is eh?
    Garret versus KKK hmmmm.
    It really could continue forever i guess but if your aim is big power then the stock turbo will need to be changed at some point.
    Many of you guy's are running your KKK's at near there limit's and if you want to go further then it's personal choice for sure and cost.
    Garret is cheaper in my opinion but the cost and hassle to take the route to change your turbo is pretty bad.

    Rob i recodnise that turbo did u steal it from my car ? lol
    your manifold looks much better than mine, mine's is a courtenay casting which means less hassle but as i've said many times it is not pulse separated.
    can you pm me with a price since i have a guy interested in making one for me too.
    Did they make any ref to expansion rob ? i think the manifold looks superb but my tuners recon a manifold in s/s needs some slip joint of some type.

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    Originally posted by Aston Wilson
    I see the kkk as a very old design, many jap cars use garrett, skylines included, and the HKS range are garretts too!!

    I think i will probably go down this garrett route, myself, Rob how much didi this turbo and custon manifold cost you?

    Russ, my car is modified a bit, i have an EDS intercooler, superchip, and courtenay cams, but it just doesnt want to pull after 5.5k, but as i understand it, the turbo dynamics makes boost a bit lower down than the turbo technics unit and looses it at high end.

    I hear turbonetics in the US make some really nice garretts, would i just buy say a t3 or 3.5 generic spec one? or one that is designed for a 2.0 4 cyl engine??
    Superchipped LET engines dont want to pull after 5000 rpm,MY mates hade them and got unders standard bhp at a rolling road day the graph died at 5000rpm
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    You guys are comparing apples and oranges (or different types of apples)
    This isn't 'my turbo is bigger than yours, so eat dust', or 'mine has less lag, so it's faster' or even 'mine does more boost, so eat my shorts!'

    There are many factors involved in shaping the final result:

    1. The capacity of the engine is a major one. Comparing a 2.0 with a 2.6 or a 3.0 is just not fair

    2. The state of tune is another (cam timing, exhaust backpressure, head flow etc)

    3. Good match of said engine with aftermarket turbo is yet another. If the engine doesn't flow too well at 7K, but the kick-ass turbo hits max boost up there, you've got a missed opportunity (probably at the expense of worse-than-stock torque down low)

    4. Overall setup (fuelling etc) is obviously very important in such transplants (often hacks). In practice they are merely adequate at best. Hence the flashes and bangs from 'modded' turbos - they're not because of overwhelming power, bad fuelling/ignition timing is more like it!

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    Thanks Rob, but is that conversion really drivable on the road? how does your car behave? it looks great but would you not have drivability probems on the road with a t3.5...would a smaller t3 /t25 be more suitable for road use?

    BTW, does anyone know what type of turbos a mitsu evo subaru imprezza uses?? i ask as this is also a 2.0litre car

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    Arnos running well in excess of 420bhp if i remember rightly and he is using a KKK26 blower! I think Rob F sums it up when he says it suits his application! I run a KKK with a KKK24 inlet compressor wheel, and mine doesnt lose any puff at the redline even (running 18-19psi)
    Sir, please step away from the car

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    I thought Arno said at billing he was running phase 4 kit with the kkk26 turbo butchered to fit. with around 370bhp.
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    Definately looked butchered, if it wasn't the regal garrett turbo looked very similar, apart from the massive wastegate valve welded to the top of it.

    More info on garrett v kkk from a porsche engine tuner

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    Rob - Arno is running experimental phase5. Over 400bhp apparently - and I believe it too.
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    As Mike says, Arno is running Phase 5 and is using a full KKK26 turbo from the Audi RS4 altho it had to be kinda modified to squeeze in there as its a MK1 Astra 4WD.

    Butchered ?? C'mon, its experimental so an amount of "modification" is allowed I would have thought. Then, if it all goes well, they can develop a more aesthetic design which usually costs more money.


    At Billing, Arno mentioed he wasnt sure if Phase 5 would be commercially available yet as it was basically just fitted and involves a LOT of work.


    Would have been good to have any Phase "doubters" out there to have been in the group of ppl speaking to Arno that day. The guy knows his **** when it comes to the C20LET.
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    Richie, you're (as usual) missing the point.

    The phase kits work fine when bolted to an engine with clean injectors and in better than average condition. bolt it onto your averagely treated turbo, and there's a high probability that it'll melt.

    I haven't heard anyone doubting the power figures, as they're excellent results.
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    oiyoiyoi.. these turbo threads make me cwazy in the head already..

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    LOL@Gary makes me laugh reading this! What power is your 2.8 turbo Sierra running MWF as well?? Must be well over 400bhp?
    TBH outta curiousity i wouldnt mind sticking a garrett on to see the difference, would be interesting i think
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    My Sierra only pumps out 250bhp and 300ft/lb at 9psi.

    But then a 420hp cossie still runs a Garret T3, so does this proove the verisitility and upradability of the T3?
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    300ft/lb at 9 psi! can't argue with that!

    How far can you take the v6 before it melts?
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    300ft/lb at 9 psi! can't argue with that!

    How far can you take the v6 before it melts?
    You can't push a standard 2.8 much more than mine but a rebuild with the right parts and you can go over 300bhp and stupid amounts of torque but your limited by the fact they only have 5 port heads. We have some pretty mental 2.9 twin turbos in the XROC. And some twin turbo 24v V6s.
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    Richie, you're (as usual) missing the point.
    What point ??

    The one where I talk about the "phase doubters" part ??
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