Ultima GTR kit build

[Violet]

Was looking at a couple of those Ultima GTR videos:



The basic kit form including the spaceframe, GRP, glass, fittings, and basic running gear, etc etc comes to a grand total of £16k if you build it yourself.

What corners could you cut on this, I'd like to try something like this sometime in a few years, as the kit is built in stages over a certain space of time. I've noticed the prices for certain things are really high - steering rack for example. Also, engines, transaxle, etc can be bought cheaper and other stuff fabricated much cheaper, possibly bringing the whole price under £30k over the space of a few years (maybe, I don't know).

Ultima Sports Ltd - The Sensational Ultima GTR

I built a Caterham 7 but sold it about 75% of the way through in 2007.

[scooby-KILLER]

shame on you for failing to complete your 7 build! so technicaly you didnt build 1 lol

if only i had the spare cash and patience to have a go at the above

[Violet]

I got all my equipment stolen which was needed for it, so I just gave up, it ended up dismantled and stuffed up next and around my Starion in the garage. I had a C20LET with SBD bellhousing/Type-9 and Escort mk2 rear axle, managed to buy everything to complete it. I sold it for peanuts to someone (minus engine) who promised to finish it and then found out he had sold it in bits next week.


(Excuse the horrid scuttle panel)

It's a case of nut and bolt assembly. When you finish you order new bits.
Watch that Mark Evan's 'A Racing Car Is Born' thing on Discovery, he builds a Westfield in that.

[scooby-KILLER]

ah ok so it wasnt due to you giving up as such, what a fekkin bell end i hope you sent him a crimbo card doused with anthrax

aye al have a look for it

[Pitstoppete]

You are going to need 45-50K£ to do it justice, the bits are expensive for a reason fella - they are precisely engineered by professional engineers to bespoke designs that fit first time and dont break at every corner.
The steering for example aint just a mk2 escort one or morris minor crap found in a scrapyard like on a locost or whatever that picture is of that you were building, they are the dogs nackers machined precision works of art and it is all required at that standard to make the car what it should be.
You could I suppose, shove a scrapyard pinto in the back of one and save some money that way, but they should have a fc11k off yank v8 in the back with a pukka transaxle capable of putting at least 500hp down.
it's a big wallet game unfortunately.

[philip2]

heres a mates website for his supercharged ultima:

Home - Home of the Supercharged Ultima Can-Am

[Violet]

You are going to need 45-50K£ to do it justice, the bits are expensive for a reason fella - they are precisely engineered by professional engineers to bespoke designs that fit first time and dont break at every corner.
The steering for example aint just a mk2 escort one or morris minor crap found in a scrapyard like on a locost or whatever that picture is of that you were building, they are the dogs nackers machined precision works of art and it is all required at that standard to make the car what it should be.
You could I suppose, shove a scrapyard pinto in the back of one and save some money that way, but they should have a fc11k off yank v8 in the back with a pukka transaxle capable of putting at least 500hp down.
it's a big wallet game unfortunately.

I have to disagree with that. I got my wishbones made up for mine. They cost 100 quid, as opposed to £500. They were about as precision engineered as anything. I really don't think you can take metal into an engineers anymore and get something sub-par. The same method for building the wishbones is the same method used in the Ultima 'factory'. I've seen the process and they use wooden blocks to line everything up - not very precision engineered, but it works!
Also periphery and secondary items (such as interior and steering rack) can come off other cars, that's the nature of kit-building and has been for 100 years and is a method that's very much regarded in the same circles - you're talking about something that was conceived, designed, and engineered by a multi-billion pound company and then casting it off because it hasn't cost £1000 and wasn't developed on a CNC machine out of solid steel.

It's a total pipe dream of mine that probably won't ever happen, but I don't think it'd be fun without sourcing other methods of building just to avoid the tax from Ultima just because they gave a steering rack the once over and added 400 quid on. Buying a Ferrari is a big wallet game, but I don't think this is (although it is expensive).

[steveboyslim]

I have to disagree with that. I got my wishbones made up for mine. They cost 100 quid, as opposed to £500. They were about as precision engineered as anything. I really don't think you can take metal into an engineers anymore and get something sub-par. The same method for building the wishbones is the same method used in the Ultima 'factory'. I've seen the process and they use wooden blocks to line everything up - not very precision engineered, but it works!
Also periphery and secondary items (such as interior and steering rack) can come off other cars, that's the nature of kit-building and has been for 100 years and is a method that's very much regarded in the same circles - you're talking about something that was conceived, designed, and engineered by a multi-billion pound company and then casting it off because it hasn't cost £1000 and wasn't developed on a CNC machine out of solid steel.

It's a total pipe dream of mine that probably won't ever happen, but I don't think it'd be fun without sourcing other methods of building just to avoid the tax from Ultima just because they gave a steering rack the once over and added 400 quid on. Buying a Ferrari is a big wallet game, but I don't think this is (although it is expensive).

How much do you thonk you can build one for ?
If you think you will build one for under £30k you are mistaken even if you can get some of the parts made locally.
I know of two local cars one of which has cost twice your budget and he made most of the parts himself, starting with the basic kit.
The second car is a twin turbo chevy which has spat out two porsche transaxles and is now using a Ford GT transaxle with custom made drivehafts and lobro joint adaptors.
That conversion alone cost nearly half your budget.

Steve

[Violet]

You see, you're talking about other people's ideas with other people's cars, it doesn't apply to my pipe dream.
I may be talking ****, but the moment you mention what other people have done and how much they spent defeats the idea of building a 'kit car'.

[scooby-KILLER]

i am kinda with violet on this 1, its your kit car to build your budget your dream and your car at the end of the day so it maybe a raft incomparison to many others but mint in the owners eyes

[tiff_lee]

I think it's safe to safe that whatever you budget for it will cost more, it always does. That said it's a project so you got at least 10 years to finish it so no rush!

[scooby-KILLER]

^^ exactly

[Ed]

And in that 10 years you have plenty of time to decide you've "lost interest" and break it for parts. ;-)