2012 MOT's are going to be ridiculous!

[JustinAudiA4tdi]

Yes to all of the above lol

Lol. I would have used smilies to help not make it look harshly intended, but they've dissapeared....!

[Paul]

To sum up

Currenty you dont physicaly need a 'cat' but your car needs to be able to pass the emissions test, and most cars need a cats help
to enable them to pass

From next year, a cat must be physically fitted to cars needing one.

[Paul]

Lol. I would have used smilies to help not make it look harshly intended, but they've dissapeared....!

Yes these are broken at the moment hence me editing them out.

[Ardenblueroy]

To sum up

Currenty you dont physicaly need a 'cat' but your car needs to be able to pass the emissions test, and most cars need a cats help
to enable them to pass




From next year, a cat must be physically fitted to cars needing one.

Bingo...we got there...that's kinda what I was saying...I think..not had a lot of sleep...lol.

[JustinAudiA4tdi]

Bingo...we got there...that's kinda what I was saying...I think..not had a lot of sleep...lol.

You sure?

It's an old rule.....the cat has to be in place for cars built 1992 onwards. The steering wheel one is a new rule..I think.

Lol.

[Ardenblueroy]

Don't take the piss you...its been a long day, the baby had me up at 04:30am and I'm fooked.

[JustinAudiA4tdi]

Ridiculous time to be up that....!

[gixerboyuk]

Think there is some confusion here between petrol and diesel lmao

After my last MOT the tester was going on about the new rules for 2012 and basically they mostly (the harsher ones everyone is worried about) only appy to newer cars built from a certain date so they wont really affect anyone running an older car...lets say pre 2005 for sake of argument.

One thing that was raised was the fact that any ball joints etc with split rubbers, play or not, is a fail.

He was mostly playing up about his printer for the new paperwork of which he supplies the paper and vosa supply the ink cartridge at £200 a pop!

[GTE 16v]

Got to say the new certificates are a joke. No watermarks or security on them at all. So easy to forge.

[chip]

From next year, a cat must be physically fitted to cars needing one.

How can they tell if you have a cat fitted?
Given that a cat is just a bulge in the exhaust system to look at, you clould claim one of your silencers was a cat and as the MOT man cant look inside it, he has no way of knowing.
Likewise if instead of a decat you have just smashed the cats internals out.

Hell you could even claim your decat pipe was a slimline cat, how can he tell otherwise?

So it seems a strange rule if that is the case, as I just dont see how it can be reliabley implemented?

[chip]

Got to say the new certificates are a joke. No watermarks or security on them at all. So easy to forge.

But impossible for a forger to gain access to the computer to update them, only MOT stations can do that, and its the computer records the police and tax systems go by anyway, the bit of paper is pretty irrelevant these days.

[MSG]

I am more worried about the more stringent rules they introduce the higher will be the fee for the test, e.g. if ecu map had to be checked for originailty and no mods, that means the testers will have to have equipment to check this, hence pass the cost on to motorist.
But I also think that newer cars should not have to go through MOT each year, perhaphs once every 18 months or may be 24 month. I know those in the trade wouldn't agree, but at the same time a car that has just been MOT'd does not mean its front suspension won't collaps and kill someone as soon as it comes out of a test station after being ticked all OK, MOT ststes this fact clearly that once the vehicle leaves the test ststion, anything can fall off or happen, and the car may not be road worthy. Its up to the driver to ensure his car is always in the road worthy state.

[Paul]

How can they tell if you have a cat fitted?
Given that a cat is just a bulge in the exhaust system to look at, you clould claim one of your silencers was a cat and as the MOT man cant look inside it, he has no way of knowing.
Likewise if instead of a decat you have just smashed the cats internals out.

Hell you could even claim your decat pipe was a slimline cat, how can he tell otherwise?

So it seems a strange rule if that is the case, as I just dont see how it can be reliabley implemented?

Totally agree Chip, anything looking like a cat would do

[chip]

Totally agree Chip, anythink looking like a cat would do

So a baby tiger for example? Or would the big paws give it away?

[king nero]

not the paws but the yellow/black stripes...

[DarrenH]

tow ball electrics function, now a testable item.

[Paul]

7 pin its a visual inspection

12 pin will be tested electricaly

[Mike-vec]

I've got a front silencer that looks like an elongated cat, so if I take car 2 weeks before MOT due and have it checked and failed emissions, would I get a RED certificate ????

[Benn]

But impossible for a forger to gain access to the computer to update them, only MOT stations can do that, and its the computer records the police and tax systems go by anyway, the bit of paper is pretty irrelevant these days.

Not if you're buying a 2nd hand car... As you'd see the paper and think it's ok.

I am more worried about the more stringent rules they introduce the higher will be the fee for the test, e.g. if ecu map had to be checked for originailty and no mods, that means the testers will have to have equipment to check this, hence pass the cost on to motorist.
But I also think that newer cars should not have to go through MOT each year, perhaphs once every 18 months or may be 24 month. I know those in the trade wouldn't agree, but at the same time a car that has just been MOT'd does not mean its front suspension won't collaps and kill someone as soon as it comes out of a test station after being ticked all OK, MOT ststes this fact clearly that once the vehicle leaves the test ststion, anything can fall off or happen, and the car may not be road worthy. Its up to the driver to ensure his car is always in the road worthy state.

Have you ever followed a new car with a bulb out?
I have and i know that will stay like that till the mot... Just because a car is new doesn't make it safe.

[MSG]

Benn I consider a bulb failure as a less serious fault than say a worn tyre or a tyre bulging out about to blow out, on a new car, but most mechanical moving parts are relatively safe on a new car. As for bulbs, all cars are fitted with rear red reflectors, hence you are highly unlikely to run into the back of one, there are people who manage to do this despite all rear lights working perfectly on a car they run into many do this in braod daylight!

This is the reason why it is still quite important for police patrol cars on the roads, its their job to pull over someone driving knowingly that one of his car's bulb is not lit, most cars now come with self diagnostic check on a car's bulbs for integrity.

[Benn]

Doesn't matter if it has reflectors, if the cars dirty you wont see them...

My Mrs's KA is a 57, before its first mot i changed both drop links as one was snapped and the other knocking, Pads where down to the metal too. Was this safe? In the few months from where i found this to the mot being done anything could of happened.

Plus tyres can wear very quickly, my work van which is a 11 plate, has 10k miles on and needs new front tyres.. (a rep could get the same) but they wouldn't check them.. Till they popped.

Head lights leave the factory badly aligned. Which needs checking too. Auto handbrakes jam on...

There are alot of probs new cars get, and need fixing and checking. All cars should be Mot'ed every year.

[Ardenblueroy]

I concur with Benn, my Mrs car is also an 11 plate and it's had blown bulbs, front tyres worn from her bad driving...but it would potentially go unchecked for 3 years.

[tiff_lee]

Unfortunately some people rely on the MOT to highlight any problems with their car rather than checking it themselves.

[Benn]

Very very true^