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    When it all goes wrong....

    Okay, I thought some of you might like to see what happens when it all goes wrong setting up the cam timing on an engine.

    The engine in question is a z10xe fitted into a Corsa-C 2003 Active.

    Car was purchased the other week for a friends stepdaughter to replace her Fiat Punto which I condemned on safety reasons (it just wasn't). Got the car home and did a quick service on it for her (plugs, filters, etc...) and arranged for it to go into my work the week after (yesterday in fact) for a timing chain kit to be fitted as a precautionary measure (I work for a Vauxhall dealer so it is just easier) as I know these are a weak point in this engine.

    So, she goes away with it for a couple of days and then I get a phone call saying that the car has lost power and the EML is on. Go to where it is to inspect it and end up getting it recovered by the AA as it sounded reasonably terminal.

    Get it back to my place and take the rocker cover off. Everything looks fine. Crank it over and we have oil pressure. Take the spark plugs out to check compression and number 2 spark plug is as tight as a wotsit and strips the thread. Evidence to why is soon clear



    The bottom of the spark plug is completely obliterated, so I turned it into a keyring.

    Time for a closer look. Out comes the Endoscope and it soon becomes clear just how bad it really is



    So, car gets pushed into the corner and today I decided to take the engine out for closer inspection







    Half hour later. Fortunately, the a/c needed regassing anyway, so no aggrevation there.




    Fifteen minutes after a tea break and we started again





    Now the real extent of the damage is clear
    Number 1 piston


    Number 2 piston


    Number 1 valves (1 inlet slightly bent and parts of number 2 inlet valve sitting on top of piston)


    Number 2 valves (note half of the valve still welded into the valve guide and chamber scrambled)


    Number 3 valves


    One scrap block


    Before the engine came apart, I checked the chain timing and found it to be a couple of teeth out. Checked the cylinder head measurements and it looks like the cylinder head has been over-skimmed @ some point, resulting in the timing chain tensioner not being able to compensate for the amount of slack and when it got a run down the motorway, it simply span fast enough to skip a tooth which then snowballed into an all-out coming together of parts that should not. The engine had been reassembled with the original chain and tensioner, etc.. instead of new ones. What makes it worse is that the kid she bought it from had been told that his local garage had fitted a new (secondhand replacement) engine previously after the original died a death and yet it is still on the original engine now just with an overskimmed cylinder head, so he got ripped off in the beginning.

    What do you all think????

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    Re: When it all goes wrong....

    pretty impressive dammage

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    Re: When it all goes wrong....

    Ouch but cool keyring
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    Re: When it all goes wrong....

    one bonus is you working for vxl phone vxpro engines as these went down in price this week.
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    Re: When it all goes wrong....

    This is why skimming the head is bad!
    Good piston killing tho.
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    Re: When it all goes wrong....

    Bugger Who reused the chain and tensioner then?
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    Re: When it all goes wrong....

    who timed the ****er up wrong in the 1st place??
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    Re: When it all goes wrong....

    Quote Originally Posted by EY View Post
    Bugger Who reused the chain and tensioner then?
    Quote Originally Posted by Geordie-Chris View Post
    who timed the ****er up wrong in the 1st place??
    After looking through the service history, I believe it was a backstreet garage-type place near me, but from previous experiences with them, I am guessing they would deny it.

    They either timed it up 1 tooth out (not using the proper tools) or it was so far out of tolerance once skimmed that it made its own way to terminal damage.

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    Re: When it all goes wrong....

    Quote Originally Posted by nrj View Post
    one bonus is you working for vxl phone vxpro engines as these went down in price this week.

    Doubt they have gone down to about £400 though. If they have, I'll be getting one on order ASAP.

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    Re: When it all goes wrong....

    Quote Originally Posted by TINTIN View Post
    Ouch but cool keyring
    One of my "spur-of-the-moment" decisions. Paperweight piston with halve-head attachment is coming soon to a table near the owner

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    Re: When it all goes wrong....

    what a bugger!!
    if it wasn't for the earth , there wouldn't be any universe, mother earth gave birth to all the creation! and without the earths gravitational pull, the sun and the moon would have long gone adrift!

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