'F1 season chat'

[Fenix]

well done Jenson Button winning the Australian GP, another British victory !! Hamilton did quite well too considering he started at the bottom 18th, he was almost close to being on the podium.

AAH! Hamilton did get to 3rd position after Toyota was demoted due to overtaking when it wasn't allowed!! Good on you too Hamilton!!

You know when i was watching the race live i thought Hamilton had got past trulli before Vettel and Kubica crashed but when Brundle started saying he was definately 4th I thought it must have just been my tiredness after pulling an all nighter. Brundle needs to get his act together.

Edit: Just realised that they've given Trulli a 25 second penalty which has demoted him to 12th due to the cars being bunched up behind the safety car. Surely the FIA should have used some common sense and just dropped him back down to 4th. :-(

[lee303]

standard penatly though the 25 seconds bit, toyota have appealed, gonna be the end of the season before we get a definitive result at this ratelmao

[MSG]

F1 rules are unfair at times it seems. but they are needed to avoid chaos!

[lee303]

just watched the start again, seems rubens got a hit from heikki to cause the first corner mayhem

[spanishfly]

SO everyone is pushed up a place? Well 12 up?

[lee303]

yup

[spanishfly]

Wow, controversial already! I suppose it's the rules.

[ben21]

what new tyre rule?

same as last year, except they are using slick's now instead of groved tyres?

Yup that's new for this season.

There has also been another change which really does make a difference with the tyres. Last year the difference between the "hard" & "soft" compounds was effectively 1 compound difference. This year there is a 2 compound difference so the difference in handling etc... is greater.

[Fenix]

Yeah i know its the standard penalty but its a lot worse than it would usually be with the race finishing under safety car and them all being bunched up. Even Hamilton thought he had to give the place back to Trulli by the sounds of it.

[lee303]

yeah i agree, but thats the rule, toyota are appealing though so we'll have to wait and see...

[Fenix]

Actually just seen this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_PZWe85nlI

Stewards not waving any yellow flags when hamilton went past so there was no need for him to give the place up. I think he must have heard on the radio that there'd been a crash but yellow flags weren't yet out.

Its obvious that drivers still don't fully understand the rules about safety car and are bricking themselves after incidents last year otherwise a few cars would have overtaken glock when he went off straight after yet the all slow down to let him back in.

[lee303]

yeah as shown by massa not knowing he could pass the safety car when it had the green light and numberplate on, but i do think thye all get a warning light in the car when the safety car is out now, so maybe he reacted to that? or maclaren were just ****ting it after last years penalties and thought 4th was better than a belated penalty

[sbd16vastra]

awesome race, well done jenson you kept your kool and bought the win home

obviously being a fan i was very happen when lewis managed to pull home a 3rd place points finish, ive read alot of ppl over the past few days saying that he is crap that a good driver grabs a **** car and makes it work, and lewis 100% showed he is maturing and is a world class driver.

ok there was some luck and there was some good driving, but a world class driver needs to take both of these aspects and capitalise on them and today he showed he was a driver that could and will

standard penatly though the 25 seconds bit, toyota have appealed, gonna be the end of the season before we get a definitive result at this ratelmao

i dont see why there bothing, last year the fia made it very clear that 25 second penatlys cannot be apealed after mec tried to.

[Trevor]

Actually just seen this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_PZWe85nlI

Stewards not waving any yellow flags when hamilton went past so there was no need for him to give the place up. I think he must have heard on the radio that there'd been a crash but yellow flags weren't yet out.

Did it show something controversial?

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Formula One Management

[sbd16vastra]

Did it show something controversial?

they started doing it last year removing anything current on you tube, then making there own video

[jamied]

very good race, watched it in the hotel on a 80inch screen with free beer which made it 100 times better..lmaolmao

only thing i hate is Richard Branson sticking his money into the company...why did he not do it before when the company was original up for sale???

Did anyone see the interview on friday/saterday when Branson swore on live tv..love the way eddie jorden started to rip into him by saying branson asked him loads of times that he wanted to put money into jorden and he refused and then said 'i thought you were not going into motor sport due to your green issues?' branson's response....'oh..the cars use green fuel now'...........MUPPET

[Trevor]

i dont see why there bothing, last year the fia made it very clear that 25 second penatlys cannot be appealed after mec tried to.

Yep that is correct, Article 152 of the International Sporting Code states that drive-through penalties are “not susceptible to appeal”. As with Hamilton and the events at Spa, this was a drive through penalty, as the race was finished it could not be applied so it is converted to a 25 second penalty.

[Trevor]

Stewards not waving any yellow flags when hamilton went past so there was no need for him to give the place up. I think he must have heard on the radio that there'd been a crash but yellow flags weren't yet out.

As you can not be in the race if your off the track, and apparently Hamilton passed Jarno Trulli when Trulli had gone on the grass then the yellow flags are a moot point. At the time Hamilton went by, Jarno Trulli was not actually in the race.

Trulli then re-joined the race and passed Hamilton under waved yellows, claiming that Hamilton was going slowly and he thought Hamilton had a problem. Hamilton of course claims he had simply slowed down because of the full course yellows and the SC boards.

As after seeing that Lewis Hamilton had not stopped or had a problem Jarno Trulli could have let him past. But did not.

It all points to both drivers not really knowing the safety car rules and a legal 'pass' being followed by an illegal pass.

[Fenix]

On a completely different note. Me and my mate were watching the build up and wondering if DaveB and Vettel were seperated at birth? lol

[MSG]

correct me if I am wrong, it is effectively a win for Honda as they sold their interst to brown gp, who used all the Honda technicias and expertise if I am not wrong. Honda might be regretting this now!!

[@ndy]

Why has Vettel been demoted 10 places for the next race? Is there no such thing as a racing accident any more?

[Rick Draper]

Why has Vettel been demoted 10 places for the next race? Is there no such thing as a racing accident any more?

I think that is overly harsh, Kubica could have given him more space imho but i thought it was a bit 50/50.

[Fenix]

I think that is overly harsh, Kubica could have given him more space imho but i thought it was a bit 50/50.

Yeah i think they both made errors. This is what bernie wants though isn't it? Cars pushing harder to get first place? If thats what he wants he's got to accept these incidents happening.

[Trevor]

correct me if I am wrong, it is effectively a win for Honda as they sold their interst to brown gp, who used all the Honda technicias and expertise if I am not wrong. Honda might be regretting this now!!

With a Merc engine? Honda kept it ticking over in the hope for the staff that someone would buy the team.

[MSG]

With a Merc engine? Honda kept it ticking over in the hope for the staff that someone would buy the team.

Tanks for correcting me as i said I wasn't sure if the car used Honda stuff. Merc it is then ! so thats a great news as it what McLarens use!!