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    Twin carb tuning in Southampton/Hampshire?

    Anyone know a reputable place in Southampton/Hampshire that has experience with twin carb balancing/adjustment? As cool as the monster flames the Bug's spitting out are, it's doing an average of under 15mpg (Driving like a saint, must be single digits on a session) and my sorry ass can't afford it with the fuel prices at the moment lmao

    Anyone have experience with DynoTune in Southampton? Who are the 'masters' in Hampshire? Cheers dudes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danš
    Anyone know a reputable place in Southampton/Hampshire that has experience with twin carb balancing/adjustment? As cool as the monster flames the Bug's spitting out are, it's doing an average of under 15mpg (Driving like a saint, must be single digits on a session) and my sorry ass can't afford it with the fuel prices at the moment lmao

    Anyone have experience with DynoTune in Southampton? Who are the 'masters' in Hampshire? Cheers dudes
    Do it yourself.

    In regards to adjustment (webers):

    http://hometown.aol.com/dvandrews/webers.htm

    Dellorto

    http://hometown.aol.com/dvandrews/dellorto.htm

    for balancing just use a tube and listen for a suck try to get them to the same tone.
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    Cheers, been milling about on that site for a while, loads of decent gen. Thought of doing it myself but I'm absolutely 100% sure I'd make it worse lmao
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    Obviously different to a single carb, but ith some info pointing you in right direction. On single carb can't go far wrong on highest smoothest idle.
    Thinking back, a mate twin carb'd a mk1 escort cosworth, and was told was lucky it ran at all without proper setting up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danš
    Cheers, been milling about on that site for a while, loads of decent gen. Thought of doing it myself but I'm absolutely 100% sure I'd make it worse lmao
    Do it mate, as long as you follow what Dave has said you'll be fine. He is a really gen'd up bloke having spoken to him a few times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danš
    Anyone have experience with DynoTune in Southampton?
    Very strange fella, but fooking good all the same. Been doing it for years.

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    Cheers

    Dan - That's bloody surprising, I got about 19mpg on that run before it died lmao Might get some colour tune stuff (Is it the Gunson one they do at Halfords?) and give it a go, can borrow an airflow meter if need be... How hard is it to lean an NA engine out to the point of destruction? That's all I'm worried about really.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saloony
    Very strange fella, but fooking good all the same. Been doing it for years.
    Cool, might have to phone up later
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danš
    How hard is it to lean an NA engine out to the point of destruction? That's all I'm worried about really.
    Impossible at idle.
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    Mixing it on your Own Dyno
    by David Vizard

    The average home tuner's most frequent problem, if the letter
    we get are anything to go by, is getting the fuel/air ratios
    (mixture) right after having tinkered wit hthe motor. After
    printing this article, we do not expect to get, ever again, a
    Technical Query asking what needles or jets to use on a
    modified motor, becuase this really should be the end of your
    mixture problems!

    When tuning the engine, it is more than likely that the
    fuel/air demand of the engine is changed. Becuase of this it
    is neccessary to "calibrate" a carburetter so that it passes
    fuel into the engine in the correct quantities for the amount
    of air being consumed. Over its operating range, a
    carburetter may have to pass a volume from say two to two
    hundred cubic feet of air a minute! At tickover, the
    consumption of air is very low, but at full throttle the
    opposite applies.

    At every point between the two extremes the air flow
    requirement is different, yet at all these points the
    carburetter is expected to mix the correct amount of fuel with
    the incoming air. There is little point in trying to set up
    the mixture at tickover becuase very few, if any, of us drive
    on tickover and there is absolutely no guarantee that the
    mixture is right throughout the range.

    How do we know or how can we tell what the mixture is like
    anyway? Up until now, the most common method has been to
    "read the plugs". If you have had years of practice and are
    an expert plug reader (not the print on it) you can just about
    pull off the job of mixture setting. The trouble, however,
    with a plug count is that one is never too sure what the plug
    is saying.

    For instance, a dark, very slightly sooty plug can look like a
    mixture that is just a shade rich, but it could be that the
    mixture is just right and the plug type is too hard (runs too
    cold) for the motor. Unless you are an expert then, reading
    the plug is, to say the least, just shade dodgy.

    An alternative to reading a plug is to get your engine set up
    on a dynomometer; either the rolling road type or the engine
    type. When an engine is on a dyno, it can be run at various
    rpm and against various loads, thus simulating the conditions
    met on the road. While all this is going on, an electronic
    gas sampler can be analysing the exhaust and indicating the
    fuel/air ratio.

    Going from reading plugs at a dollar a time to using three
    grand worth of dyno might seem like going from one extreme to
    the other or to use a comparison, going from an abacus to an
    electronic computer. What is needed to use the analogy again
    is a slide fule ie: a method between the abacus and computer,
    or to come back to reality, a method of setting the mixture
    which is more akin to the dyno and mixture analyser than the
    plug reading method.

    A dynomometer measures horse power, commonly called brake
    horse power becuase a dyno is nothing more than a brake,
    calibrated to read out the work absorbed and the rate of
    absorbtion. Here we have a clue; all cars have brakes (or
    should have) so what we have, in effect, is an uncalibrated
    dyno fitted to our car. To simulate road conditions whilst
    standing still, all we need do is to jack up the driving
    sheels of the car, put it in gear and use the throttle as if
    we were driving along the road.

    To simulate road levels we need only apply varying pressure on
    the brake pedal. Such action will, of course, get the brakes
    hot. For our purposes we need to be able to hold full power
    for about fifteen seconds maximum. If your brakes cannot cope
    with this from the heat point of view, then you are sadly
    lacking in that department so see to it. It's probably better
    brakes you need and not more power!

    Okay, so we have our dyno. The fact that it does not read out
    in horsepower is, for our purposes, irrelevant. What we need
    now is a mixture analyser. Up until a few years back this
    would have cost a tidy sum. These days we have a device known
    as a "Colortune" and within the price range that can be
    afforded by the enthusiast, this is the _only_ device we know
    of that will do the job in hand.

    For those who man not know, a Colortune is a device which
    replaces the sparkplug in the cylinder. The top of the
    Colortune is made of a Borosilicate glass and this allows you
    to see what is going on in the mixture combustion chamber.
    Different mixture strengths burn at different colours.

    By looking into the combustion chamber through the Colortune
    we can get a good indication of the mixture strength
    prevailing. Inspection of the flame color shows that four
    fairly distinct stages occur. when the flame colour is
    blue/white, the mixture ration is between 16 and 14:1; a blue
    colour indicates a mixture strength between 14 and 12,5:1; a
    blue/orange colour indicates 12,5 to 11:1 and orange indicates
    11:1 or less.

    The Colortune, then, is indicating at the colour transition
    points the mixture strength of the ingoing charge. Maximum
    power occurs when the fuel/air ratio is between about 12,5 and
    13,5:1. The exact point varies from engine to engine, but
    most cast iron tuned production engines seem to be best around
    12,8:1. The best economy is achieved on weaker mixtures than
    that giving maximum power, and fuel/air ratios between 14 and
    16:1 seem to be the easiest on the pocket.

    To set up the mixture in the manner about to be described you
    will need an accomplice. The first and essential step is to
    part the car in some place which is poorly lit, so that you
    can see the combustion colours. Jack up the driving wheels of
    the car until they are just clear of the ground and in the
    interest of safety, securly blockthe car so that it cannot
    move under any circumstances.

    At this point, warm up the engine, the remove a spark plug and
    replace it with a Colortune. Set up the mixture so that you
    have a fuel/air ratio of about 12 to 12,5:1 (orange/blue) at
    normal tickover revs. If you have multiple carbs you will
    have to do this for each cylinder or set of cylinders having a
    carb.

    Next, get your accomplice to put the car into gear, usually
    third gear is best, and increase the throttle opening but at
    the same time put on the brake. (Continue opening the
    throttle and increasing breaking pressure until your
    accomplice ends up with the throttle wide open and the revs
    pulled down by braking to 2000 rpm). You can now look ath the
    Colortune and at this point it will reveal what the fuel/air
    ratio is under the prevailing conditions.

    It can then be noted, preferebly by colour rather than
    reference to its fuel/air ratio. After this, let the brakes
    cool for a few minutes, then repeat the procedure at 3000 rpm
    then at 4000 rpm and finally at 5000 rpm, stopping to let the
    brakes cool between each run.

    As far as brake overheating is concerned, it should not take
    more than fifteen seconds to ascertain the mixture ratio at
    each rpm interval, so they will be well within their capacity.

    Once you have an indication of the state of affairs of the
    fuel/air ratio up the rev range to 5000 (5000 rpm is the limit
    on the Colortune) the necessary corrections can be made to get
    it right. Not only can the full throttle conditions be
    catered for in this manner, but so can part throttle and
    transient conditions. For instance, a hesitant pickup when
    going from parth throttle to full throttle could indicate that
    the mixture is too weak during the transition from one state
    to the other. During the transition period and for a short
    while after the Colortune should show a rich mixture
    condition. If it doesn't, then you can bet your life that on
    a fixed jet type carb, the accelerator jets or pump stroke are
    inadequate.

    On carbs like the SU and Stromberg CD variety, a lean mixture
    during the acceleration phase would indicate that the damping
    is insufficient. A thicker oil is usually required to
    compensate this.

    A couple of cars were used as guinea pigs to test the method.
    Both cars were modified and therefore required different carb
    settings. In each case the carburation has been originally
    set up by the owners who had only an average working
    knowledge of what was required. After use of the Colortune by
    the mothod just described, both power and economy were better
    between 5-8bhp and 10-15 miles per gallon.

    The reason that consumption was so much better after use of
    the Colortune stemmed from the fact that the mixture was
    originally set rich for maximum power and unfortunately
    becuase of the guesswork method of setting, it was too rich.
    The performance increase was better than the power increase
    alone suggesting that the mixture was right (within limits)
    throughout the rev range. As a side effect this led to a
    smoother running engine with a snappier throttle response.

    To sum up, the Colortune proves to be a very useful device.
    It can, at a price of 4-87,5 UKP easily justify its place in
    the tool kit of any self-respecting enthusiast, and its
    intelligent use can only bring about an increase in
    performance.

    Editor's note:

    Whilst David Vizard has used this tuning method successfully
    with both a Mini and Austin 1100 its use on many other types
    of car could possibly be dangerous. Firstly therefore we
    recommend that the suspension characteristics and drive
    shaft-prop shaft geometry of the car in question be checked
    carefully ebfore even considering use of this method.

    On rear wheel drive IRS cars which may have large wheel
    angularity, attempt to jack the car at points on the
    suspension that will allow the wheels to assume a position in
    angle similar to that which exists in normal use.

    On a non-IRS rear wheel drive car jack under the springs on
    either side at the axle location point.

    Make sure jacks are very secure and will not move under
    testing vibration, also make sure any car to be tested has
    alternate props underneath in case of jack failure -- ie:
    spare wheels and tyres which should be first tested using the
    full weight of the car. One advantage of the DV method is of
    course that during load tesing the wheels on the ground have
    the brakes applied.

    On a Mini the best method Vizard found was to put a piece of
    wood on top of trolly jack lift point and jack up from the
    Mini sump. Once having jacked car up, jam wheels and tyres
    underneath car for safety. Car does rock but cannot thus fall
    over. Drive shafts will assume peculiar angles during testing
    and this can be minimised by supporting bottom suspension arms
    on axle stands --these can however move and you may have to
    take the risk of the odd shaft angles for the few moments of
    testing.

    This method does not apear to be practical with swing axle IRS
    cars ie: Herald, Spitfire, Vitesse Mk 1, GT6 Mk1.
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