PNG at billing

[andy suter]

Is this true what i have heard about the PNG displaying posters about cheaper membership if you hand in youre VPCC member card.

If it is they are in deep trouble as Mike and Tom will appreicate being members of teh VBOA.....


fancy going head to head with the OFFICAL vauxhall club, i don't know why they won't work together like mig and VPCC do???? bizzare

[Cris Rose]

Didn't hear or see anything like that

Sure it wasn't discount membership when you "show" your VPCC card? You know, to actually work with the club? That wouldn't be a bad idea...

But handing it in is outta line...

[andy suter]

nope, i ve been told that the posters said "£15 join today if you hand in your VPCC membership card"

i'm gobsmacked.

[MikeWarner]

This has been confirmed by Jon Walsh. He posted to the Nova Mailing list:

Unfortunately the VPCC are unavailable to defend themselves. There is
no National Day this year (they can't afford it is the rumour) and
there is no reply from their club 'hot line' (should that be cold
line??). The members of the VPCC that approached me at the weekend
didn't have a single good thing to say about the organisation.
communication seems to be a issue - there isn't any.

If anyone knows what's going on with the VPCC I'd love to know. I'm
putting their details in a Club Listing in the back of Redline each
month and if I can't get a reply from their number (and no-one from
VPCC HQ can contact me) then I'll have to pull it from the issue.

As for the VBOA - well, I'm sure the poaching would be the last thing
on their mind. The PCC is a professionally run club (so say Vauxhall)
and if the PCC look after their members, have great events like Billing
and are available to contact whenever needed I'm sure they will look
upon this favourably. Do they want pissed off members leaving the VPCC
and so not being part of the VBOA, or joining the PCC and being
involved?

When was the last time anyone saw a copy of High Performer?

Jon
PNG 007

This is outragous. MIG in the early years was falsely accused of taking PNG members - now PNG are doing it to the VPCC? Double standards? - whatever suits them best?

[Pete]

Ok Walshy has spoken - really impartial.....

All clubs go through ups and downs.

If Walshy had bothered to speak to someone who's involved with the VPCC then he'd have found out the real reason for the recent problems.

Hard to respect him if he's going to carry on like that.

And regarding Andy's post, the poster stipulated that the membership cards had to be surrendered. I thought it was bang out of order, and will do nothing for inter-club relations.

[Lagerlout]

Walshy can't speak to anyone at the VPCC as he has been trying all day and can't get an answer off anyone in the know. Likewise no-one at Vauxhall wants to comment either, which suggests that something is amiss.
I'm not defending him against obviously biased accusers, but he has tried to get more info.

[Pete]

Get Walshy to email stuart.harris@vauxhall.co.uk

[Tom Williams]

Guys

I personally was shocked at this news.

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thanks

[Strick]

I actually saw the notice in the club tent at Billing on Sunday and it read something to the effect of; Trade in your VPCC membership card and join a proffesional club. (Or something along those lines!) I couldnt believe it when i saw it, I agree the VPCC is in a state at present (I am a member so comment on my own feelings), but surely lets wait and see what happens after Trax when the new guys get it.
I see they are also starting a Performance VX Group to cater for other models, namely Cav, Calibra, Omega etc.

[Lagerlout]

Originally posted by Strick
I see they are also starting a Performance VX Group to cater for other models, namely Cav, Calibra, Omega etc.

The Performance VX group has been in the pipeline for a long time. They launced the Corsa group (understandable due to it being the Nova's successor) but were thinking of launching others aswell.
They decided to start with the Astra group and see what kind of a reception it got before going ahead with the others, but as the Astra group is growing quite quickly they seem keen to launch the VX group now.

[Ian Griffiths]

Bastard, I was contemplating getting a pic of that sign in a strictly journalistic context.

I personally don't think it'll do PCC any favours, they're already not doing this whole co-operationg thing and as for taking advantage of the VPCCs misfortunes well, thats just underhanded. The only thing I can possibly think of is that it was the brainchild of one of the people in charge of putting signs up and doesn't represent the views of the rest of the club.

[Dave Dempsey]

I cant beleive that another Vauxhall club has pulled an underhanded and quiet frankly pathetic stunt like this. I for one will not be renuing my PAG membership when its up for renewal or joining anyother club they bring out. Attempting to gain new members through these means is out of order.

[andy suter]

i'm a member of the PCG as well as an organiser of the VPCC and i confirm that although the VPCC is going through bad times, purely down to a bad choice of company to run it, and not from lack of enthusiamsim from the members, we have still attended more events this year than the PCC group. In fact we won the best club stand at Doncaster for gods sake and had many PNG/PCG members on our stand. Maybe we should say in future "if youre a PCC group member then sorry youre not allowed on the vpcc stand as well." but we won't cos its pathetic. THey seem to have forgotten the fact that we are all enthusiasts of the same thing...vauxhalls. The PCC at the minute seem obsessed with world domination of the car club world. How long will it be before they start a Performance Fiesta Group????

I think they should get their ship in order with the PCG before even starting the PAG (how many were at the national day??? it was 1 wasn't it?) let alone setting up another club.

These are all my own personal views not that of the VPCC.

One last thing.....Walshy, get youre head out youre arse and check your mail box. If youre membership was up to date you would have recieved the last High performer 3 weeks ago like the rest of the members.

[MikeWarner]

Sometimes I actually like Andy.....

[Steve Heley]

Come off it Mike? Now thats pushing it

[Garrie]

Love is in the air ...............

[andy suter]

[Steve Heley]

Hey, the Suter clan are out in force today

[Pete]

Fat pie munching northern c*nt.....

[Walshy]

Nice to see some of you guys are happy to say a lot about me but not to my face. Well bring it on…

Here's the simple facts…

VPCC HQ cannot be contacted
Pulse (who run the VPCC) cannot be contacted
Last issue of High Performer was exceptionally late
All magazines usually receive a copy of HP - we have not
We are awaiting official comment from Vauxhall HQ
PCC offered £15 membership to existing VPCC members (by showing their membership card)
PCC will be launching an all Vauxhall club on Jan 1st (unless there's demand to launch earlier)
A lot of VPCC members are unhappy

If anyone thinks I've got my head up my arse then they're oh so wrong.

Thing is, with threads like this going on on most Vauxhall web sites, you have to ask why the VPCC HQ guys haven't become involved and told anyone what is going on.

If some of the guys at Mig HQ are so close to the VPCC, then get on the blower to Pulse/VPCC HQ and get them to comment. Let's put this to bed ad sort it out.

I thank you… ;o)

Walshy

PS - Mike W and Andy S - I love you both.

[andy suter]

hmmmm.....

[Steve Heley]

Theres to much love going around towards old Suter today for my liking..

[andy suter]

vpcc Hq cannot be contacted beacuse they are the process of swapping back to being vauxhall run on a temporary basis. We are having a meeting on the 9th September to discuss to new direction of the vpcc with vauxhall and for the new company to propose their ideas for taking the club forward.

It doesn't matter one bit what state the vpcc is in, the PCC group should not, as members of an association of vauxhall clubs, be blatantly recruiting members on the basis of resigning their current membership with another association club.

I agree, most vpcc members are frustrated with their club at the minute, including myself but it doesn't mean i won't still be supporting the vpcc as most regional groups are self sufficent anyway.

and recently MIG and VPCC have attended many joint events together, more than can be said for the PCC group who seem to have upset every other vauxhall club of similar models.

Anyway.....most novas will be dead soon so its only a matter of time till the PNG is no more

[Pete]

Can I just say that my comment about the fat northern pie munching c*nt was directed at Andy Suter not Walshy. Just to clear up any possible confusion. If I was gonna abuse Walshy it would be something to do with perms, stolen wheels and robbing old grannies....

And as someone who was at Billing at the weekend, I'd like to make it clear the £15 offer was on SURRENDER of the VPCC membership card, not on presentation of it. That was what was bang out of order.

[Cris Rose]

Hmmm... i agree that it should probably be PNG and it's poster organisers that are questioned, and not VPCC, as we know VPCC are going through change of management. If it's true, which i get the feeling it is after what people have been saying, i find it very confusing why such an approach should be taken.

As a regional coordinator, i know VPCC and PNG in my region and thier coordinators, and as has been said, VPCC seem to be very self sufficient with strong loyalties, which i think is very comendable. I have never had a problem eith PNG myself, or any other club, so i find myself very neutral over this until PNG have commented.

But i do meet a lot of ppl from both clubs, many come to the regional meetings as i really don't discriminate. As much as it is a Mig Regional Meeting, we want Vauxhalls there and thier drivers, and that includes VPCC, PNG, Club Calibra, PAG, etc and non members too. I don't push membership on them, even the few times when i've had VPCC members come up to me and say something allong the lines of "Don't know what's going on with VPCC, is Mig better?", and i find it very hard to answer really. I don't want to badmouth any club, so i normally just give the normal Mig talkup, that i'd give to ppl who aren't a member of anything (discounts, meetings, events, comunity, etc) and tell them that if they don't want to join Mig as well as VPCC, that's fine, they are still welcome to the meetings. As Bruce Laver will tell you - i met him at the last meeting, he was worried that he shouldnt' be there because he was VPCC and not Mig, and wanted to know if he could join Mig too. I told him he could if he wanted, but he didn't have to just because he was at the meetings, because i know guys like Dave F (Not Normal) and Meady are loyal VPCC only but are also regulars on the mig board and great blokes that i like to see at my meetings...

I think we have to wait for PNG to comment first really, my personal feeling is one of confusion rather than outrage... I hope it gets sorted really, Mig are trying to stay neutral - the last thing we want is to have to take sides, because i know Mig won't do it.