right then all. Im after an unbiased opinion on the matter of whether chavs cally t will be quickier than my mates pulsar gti-r over a quater mile. Im sure your all aware of chavs spec so no need for me to harp on about that. The pulsar however is standard except a filter and cat-back system so should be putting out in the region of 230bhp give or take a bhp or 2. I have asked on the gtiroc forum and they all conceive that pulsar will be quickier as it stands now. He is however fitting a HKS EVC gen 5 Boost controller and hybrid front mount this week so with boost at around 1 bar, should be at the 290-300bhp mark.
Now given, in standard spec (the pulsar) im not sure which will be quickier, but when the pulsaris running near 300bhp, i think there is no contest!!
lmao @ the aerodynamics argument... with those phat wikkid e bo select alloys on your "gain" will be removed (it dosent take much the twunt up the Cd)
also dont you have loads of ice and 10yr olds in the boot?
and are you planning to race before its runin? lmao
street racing is well kool init yeah man
lmao @ the aerodynamics argument... with those phat wikkid e bo select alloys on your "gain" will be removed (it dosent take much the twunt up the Cd)
also dont you have loads of ice and 10yr olds in the boot?
and are you planning to race before its runin? lmao
street racing is well kool init yeah man
So anywhere from about 290 to 320bhp depending upon how much boost you run on the P2. Standard turbo i presume? Plus a 100hit or so and a late 12 is very plausible. Might be closer than you think on the quarter. I'd still give a 300bhp Pulsar the edge though, 300 on a Pulsar is fairly easy to achieve too. Essentially the same engine as the SR20DET in my Nissan with the notable difference in throttle body setup.
On a dual, past 100-120mph you will start to put a fair few car lengths on it though due to aerodynamics, more power&torque(on gas) and gearing.
Scott I doubt mine will do better than a mid 13... it's really not intended by either me or Vauxhall to be a drag car. I want the car for fast road use, and top speed runs once I have the last piece of the jigsaw (T34)
So to summarise:
Calibra is faster top end, has stronger and better gearbox, better aerodynamics, it's newer, more comfortable, more gadgets, less rusty, safer, better brakes, cheaper spare parts, it's not a Datsun, better interior and best of all it's pimp.
Pulsar is a quicker drag car and may be better running round a muddy field if ever we both find ourselves in that predicament
Scott I doubt mine will do better than a mid 13... it's really not intended by either me or Vauxhall to be a drag car. I want the car for fast road use, and top speed runs once I have the last piece of the jigsaw (T34)
So to summarise:
Calibra is faster top end, has stronger and better gearbox, better aerodynamics, it's newer, more comfortable, more gadgets, less rusty, safer, better brakes, cheaper spare parts, it's not a Datsun, better interior and best of all it's pimp.
Pulsar is a quicker drag car and may be better running round a muddy field if ever we both find ourselves in that predicament
Pulsar has stronger transfer box, diffs etc and in fact entire drive train except for gearbox.
Pulsar will outhandle you in the dry, and will outhandle you by so much in the wet that you may as well borrow a milkfloat and save money on petrol
Pulsar will launch off the line very well, wet or dry, calibra wont.
At speeds far too high to be of any relevance on the public highway for anything other than very occasionally doing, and of no use on any race circuit in the UK (or the ring etc too for that matter) the calibra will be quicker.
Pulsar has more rear headroom, so even wins on the practical car front.
Pulsar looks mean and purposeful, calibra looks like its intended to go shopping (so in this case you really CAN judge a book by its cover!)
Its a REAL shame about the pony gearbox on the pular, its the only thing really that lets down an otherwise AWESOME car.
You really need to drive one in anger sometime Chav, you WILL see what the fuss is about (well assuming you can actually drive moderately well)
Chip TBH Kev's stock example feels quicker than a stock Cally T. Fair enough... it's what we'd all expect. But I really don't think it's as quick as a P2 Cally T with FMIC. Now add to that the other mods I now have, mine will definitely be quicker. Then add gas and...! See what I mean?
Obviously if he modifies it then it would be a different story, but this whole thread is based on the current state of play.
And trust me I will just go and buy an Evo, and gas that if I have to! lmao
Chip TBH Kev's stock example feels quicker than a stock Cally T. Fair enough... it's what we'd all expect. But I really don't think it's as quick as a P2 Cally T with FMIC. Now add to that the other mods I now have, mine will definitely be quicker. Then add gas and...! See what I mean?
Obviously if he modifies it then it would be a different story, but this whole thread is based on the current state of play.
And trust me I will just go and buy an Evo, and gas that if I have to! lmao
You could have eleventy seven thousand bhp in a calibra and its STILL a slower car most places that interest me than a standard pulsar.
The pulsar is quick round corners, the calibra isnt.
Thats FAR more interesting to me than wether the calibra pulls harder from 120mph upwards as thats not actually something i feel the need to do very often anyway.
Racing down a motorway is of utterly no interest to me.
Chip yes Calibra's standard are shockingly bad handling. But have you ever been in a lowered Calibra 4x4 with decent suspension and good tyres? They are very stable, even in the wet.
In the wet, both cars slide neutrally at the limit
So does whether your electric aerial is up or not. So does how slim your side repeaters are. None of those factors are anywhere near as relevant as the overall profile of the car you twit lmao
I'm sure I could put 10" wide wheels on my car, sit Chip on the roof in a fairy outfit and STILL have a more aerodynamic car than Kev.
Chip yes Calibra's standard are shockingly bad handling. But have you ever been in a lowered Calibra 4x4 with decent suspension and good tyres? They are very stable, even in the wet.
In the wet, both cars slide neutrally at the limit
If his pulsar understeers in the dry, then he cant drive it properly
Get "racingsnake" off here to give him a few lessons
(his car also ran a 12.7 in totally standard trim except for an exhaust and raised boost!)
Ive been in all manner of calibra's but none that match a pular for handling, especially down a B road, decent calibras are ok on fast sweeping sections of a roads, but they arent in the same league as an Evo/Cossie/Pulsar for handling where it actually matters!
Yes absolutely, having driven both, they are without a doubt in the same league.
Ive not had a proper play in a later evo with the latest electronic aids yet though, but i doubt it makes *that* much difference.
So does whether your electric aerial is up or not. So does how slim your side repeaters are. None of those factors are anywhere near as relevant as the overall profile of the car you twit lmao
I'm sure I could put 10" wide wheels on my car, sit Chip on the roof in a fairy outfit and STILL have a more aerodynamic car than Kev.
If there is one person on this forum who isnt a twit, its cambridge!
And he is right in this instance too, an increase in frontal area from larger tyres can have a fairly significant difference to CD, far more than an aerial etc.
If there is one person on this forum who isnt a twit, its cambridge!
And he is right in this instance too, an increase in frontal area from larger tyres can have a fairly significant difference to CD, far more than an aerial etc.
Okay so my tyres are 215mm wide, as compared to the stock ones which are what 205's? Do you REALLY think the difference is going to be more than mathematical? What is the pulsar CD anyone?
This is just splitting hairs. Far more relevant is the fact that I'm 90kg and Kev weighs about 10kg
Chav - your cally is more less the same spec as wazpaz's yeah - he ran a 14.1 recently - and his best is 13.9 iirc ??
- so for u to get somewhere into the 13's or even high 12's like what a pulsar does everyday then you'll need to be doing what I' now doing and thats feeding it 100bhp of N20
Go get a pulsar thats had a few more tweeks and thats the cally back in second place again lmao
I personally don't like the looks - plus them gearboxes are fecking expensive to keep replacing - whereas my TXB ain't lmao
At the end of the day,its how much money you can chuck at something.If he chucks say 2k at his pulsar,he will eat you for breakfast.If you spend 4k on your calibra,you will more than likely beat him.
Quote.=Yes absolutely, having driven both, they are without a doubt in the same league.
Ive not had a proper play in a later evo with the latest electronic aids yet though, but i doubt it makes *that* much difference.
Erm,i dont think so matey,the evo you drove must have had yogurt suspension...UNLESS the pulsar has had some serious wedge thrown at the suspension etc.With the AYC etc turned off,in an evo,it would still handle better.
Ive owned both 300 bhp pulsar,and 330 bhp evo6 and believe me,the evo would trounce the little nissan in the twisties,you wouldnt believe how quick you can go round a bend.
The evo has 20 times better turn in than a pulsar,and the pulsars are prone to understeer on the limit.
Dont get me wrong,i loved my gti-r,and thought it was the quickest thing ever:doh: .......then i woke uplmao
Regarding CD factors, is it not more of a ratio of drag to weight?
So comparing to cars CD factor can be irelivent if you dont take vehicle weight into account?
As a car with CD of 0.29 could still produce more drag than a car with CD of 3.5 if it weighs more?
And "chav" wheels do affect it!
The Calibra 8v with steel wheels has a CD of 0.26 were as all the other Calibras are 0.29.
Its the Calibra V6 that weighs 1370kg the turbo will be heavier due to TX box, Propshaft and rear final drive and axle.
I would put my money on the Jap box.
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