How to remove orange peel (with lots of pictures)

[cheekyalex]

First of all if you are wondering what orange peel is, its when the newly painted surfaces have a slight resembling to one of these,

As you can see all the pictures below are of a set of lights, thats because i sell these tinted lights on ebay and this is the process i go through with all of them, however its exactly the same proccess as painting any other panel on your car, so thought i would post this little how too for people that want to try and achieve better results with their own spray work,weather it be from a rattle can or using a compressor and spray gun in a paint booth, you still end up with orange peel

The subject below has been finished in clear cellulose, using a compressor and gun.And has been left over a week to dry, the longer you leave it to dry before wet sanding the better the finish will look in the end, if you dont let it dry enough then you well just end up ruining your paintwork and have to start again,so be patient!!

I find using 2k leaves less of an orange peel effect and cures harder and more durable, making it a bit harder to wet sand.

Notice how the surface pretty similar to the orange, we will be soon getting rid of that,







As you can see below the reflection is very poor, ive used a mr Muscle just because it was to hand to use as an example,This picture was taken inside my shed,as you can see you cant even make out what some of the text says or properly see anything else in the shed.



Another picture to show how rough the surface is, Gloss black is probably the worst effeted colour and will always show any imperfections in your paint, more than any other colour. Which is why it is worth putting all the effort in to achieve a worth while end result.




So what do we do? We wet sand it thats what we do. But before we get started id just like to point out a couple of things. one being if you are new to this then be prepeared to end up sanding right through your paint and end up having to re paint it, this takes alot or practise to get right.so its well worth having a spare wing or something to keep practising on before you take the plunge and start on your own car. but here are some tips anyway.


Avoid any edges as this is where the paint is its thinnest,and as them having very little surface area compared to a large area inherintly you end up applying more pressure with the sand paper to them,so its no wonder you can sand through the paint in about 3 strokes if not carefull.


use plenty of water,as this helps the wet n dry paper work better as it cleans all the removed paint etc way an helps prevent deep scratches, it also doesnt do any harm to put a little washing up liquid in the water to help lubricate the sanding even more.

dont sand too hard, as you will end up with deep scratches

do small areas at a time and keep drying the area you are doing to check on your progress.

below is a picture to show where still needs flatting down,basically any shiny parts. you can also see ive been very carefull towards the edges too.





keep on flatening the paint untill all the orange peel is gone, and you are left with a matt looking surface that feels nice and smooth on your finger tips.

nearly done now





Once you have finished the flatting proccess and you are happy it all feels smooth then its time to buff the paint up to a shine, this can be done by hand or using an electric polisher,and using some cutting compunds, here i have just used a cheap rotary polisher off ebay for about £50,with a good quality head by farcela( same brand who make the cutting compound), what products you use is just down to prefrance, ive used g6 cutting compound as its finer than g3 and seems to give better results on black, im also told 3m finesse it is also very good on black



have to be carfull not to burn through the paint with these things, as unlike a PC they are not random, so just make sure you dont stay in one spot too long,



as for polishing its just a case of apply your cutting compund onto your newly flattened matt surface, soak your polishing head in water and get polishing,untill you bring up a nice shine like in the pictures below, i find having the hose set on a fine mist is a very easy way to stop anything from drying out as you polish, it can be used to rinse off any excess g3 before drying too
again like with the sanding aviod any edges to avoid burning through the paint.

Below is a pic just after buffing, still needs to be waxed but look at the reflection now compared to before, the pictures dont really do much justice as i have had to lower the quality for the internet.but look how you can see in detail everythin in the my shed



good, but still can look better so time to use some of this stuff,again the picture is a reflection from my paint work.



i prefare too apply wax by hand,although over a whole car you might prafre to use an electric polisher.



and here are the results after applying some wax, as you can see it has a very nice deep shine, looks even nicer in real life



bit of a close up, the end result is like glass those are little specs of dust from the cloth you can see on the surface,not scratches



one more reflection shot of mr muscle, just compare that pic the the first couple





Hope this has been helpfull for anyone, any comments are more than welcome, if anyone wants to add to this with any more tips and advice please feel free to contribute.

[Jack]

Fantastic guide, and the photos do a brilliant job of illustrating what you're talking about.

Top stuff!

[Bicco]

I usually find he leaves if you ask him nicely! Sorry couldn`t resist.

Seriously though that is a usefull guide, using everday products. How do you rate Autoglym Paint Renovator? A few peeps have said it can be used instead of the G6.

[COO]

Good pics and explanation
Although ...... I certainly would NOT recommend that people trying this for the first time jump straight in with a rotary !!!

[CraigGreen]

Good read. Its gonna take balls to wet sand the door of my Fiesta to get a scratch out....

[Pete_58]

Good explanation, pictures to show what your talking about aswell, which always helps! Top man.

[Benn]

I wrote a full thread to doing this, but never posted it.
Good work, But i would give a warning on using the buff/mop when you dont know know how too, same with wet sanding when you dont know what your doing and flatting down near edges and useing your fingers to sand on isnt a good way to do it anless you know how too, better to get a foam pad with a hrder bottom.
What grit paper did you use? Wouldnt go lower than 1500.

[Benn]

Seriously though that is a usefull guide, using everday products. How do you rate Autoglym Paint Renovator? A few peeps have said it can be used instead of the G6.

Hasnt got enough cut in it, you do really need a compound. Most places sell it now.

[cheekyalex]

I wrote a full thread to doing this, but never posted it.
Good work, But i would give a warning on using the buff/mop when you dont know know how too, same with wet sanding when you dont know what your doing and flatting down near edges and useing your fingers to sand on isnt a good way to do it anless you know how too, better to get a foam pad with a hrder bottom.
What grit paper did you use? Wouldnt go lower than 1500.

Good point, i might just put a disclaimer on the original post just to give people a bit more warning, although i have already mentioned if your a begginer then expect to mess it up at first, its all about practise. Same goes for using the rotary mop.

good advice on using the foam pads, although i have only ever learnt using just my fingers, i think its easier to judge how much pressure your using than with a foam pad as you get more feedback through your finger tips. I used 1500 grit paper by the way, sometimes use 2000 after that to minimise the light scratches before buffing.

If there is anything in the guide you wrote that ive missed out or got any better pics let us know and i will add it.

[Benn]

Yeah i leanet with my fingers, but at the same time you can put pressurer on more with different parts of yours hand and wear lines and things in to the finsh, which will give a rippled look which you dont want. Cause people will use there finger tips.. not the flats of thier fingers/palm.

[DeXx250]

I've got a rocker cover to rub down after I've done the lacquer coat and was going to use 1200 paper then some rubbing compound. Any compounds to recommend besides that Farecla stuff as from what I remember its quite expensive. Got some cheap turtle wax stuff in a round tin I bought ages ago which resembles a oily wet sand type liquid.

[Benn]

I'd use 1500, but dont you really need to? Use some g6

[cream2cream]

im well impressed, my sprayer always leaves this type of finish on cars,

im buyin these and startin on them next week

[cream2cream]

hello again would u recommend i just use the paper first as was going to buy a buffermachine off ebay, already just brought the grit paper

[long_guts]

grate guide, followed this step by step and worked a treat

[Benn]

im well impressed, my sprayer always leaves this type of finish on cars,

Get a better painter.

hello again would u recommend i just use the paper first as was going to buy a buffermachine off ebay, already just brought the grit paper

Yes you need to sand it to remove the orange peel.

[BlackBox]

Very good write up, but you should be getting a far better finish to start with before any cutting back.

With a good gun and good technique the sanding is almost eliminated ... I said almost, not quite but there shouldn't be much of that going on before the paste process. Most people would be happy with a good spray finish if it's done right.

Your result is spot on btw, very nice ...

[cream2cream]

the chap i use is cheap spray a whole side £150

spray a wing £60 quid

hence why gettin the orange peel, but now i'ii b followin this guide step by step just brought a buffer off ebay as well 43 quid

i cant wait

[hay_lewis_68]

Any compounds to recommend besides that Farecla stuff as from what I remember its quite expensive

G3 is £12 a tube, but Halfords do an own brand which is near enough identical which is about £9 iirc

[cream2cream]

im gettin 5l off ebay for G6 30 quid the one in halford is a ripoff as its only 500ml if that!!!

[cream2cream]

mate u forgot one very very important tool required and that is a hose pipe connected on to a sprinkler as without u either snap ur finger off tryin to press a bottle or dry out within sexonds, im off to buy a hose pipe 2morrow